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Discord just killed anonymity

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by Aurornis »

movedx wrote: post #116
Aurornis wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet people are en-mass switching from discord. Some people are, but I would bet money on it being a very small number of people who switch platforms. The HN bubble is not representative of the average user. This is similar to when HN thought Reddit's userbase was going to shrink after the API changes (it didn't) or when the internet thought Netflix was going to lose subscribers when they cracked down on account sha…

> This is similar to when HN thought Reddit's userbase was going to shrink after the API changes (it didn't) or when the internet thought Netflix was going to lose subscribers when they cracked down on account sharing (they grew, not shrank). I don't think these are the wins you think they are. The average user simply doesn't know any better, and likely isn't even aware of the API changes Reddit made. The user base d…

> The average user simply doesn't know any better, and likely isn't even aware of the API changes Reddit made. The user base didn't grow because of those changes: it's just no one cared.

That was literally the point I was making.

The comment I was responding to was claiming people were leaving Discord en masse. They're not.

> No one else won there, bro. The consumer was just forced to pay, that's all. Netflix won.

How did this conversation get to the point where people paying for a service they use is considered some sort of massive loss? That's just... how businesses work.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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movedx wrote: post #120
stackghost wrote: post #109

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>One other feature that's absolutely considered table stakes now is persistent server-side history, with the ability to edit and delete messages. Indeed. Ergo offers server-side history but I'm not sure it supports edit/delete yet.

> Ergo offers server-side history but I'm not sure it supports edit/delete yet. I don't think it does, no. I've only just started using it, though.

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Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by donkeybeer »

Aurornis wrote: post #15
movedx wrote: post #9

I’m going to do a video on this soon, but I was able to get Ergo IRCd and TheLounge up and running pretty quickly; https://chat.crilly.au/ I’ll be building a new platform on these two technologies and using Zoom or something else like Jitsi on the side for video/audio sharing. It’s time accept the loss of “features” and go back to something simpler but also something that can still be here in 38 years — like IRC has…

> It’s time accept the loss of “features” and go back to something simpler I guess I have a hard time understanding these calls to switch to a platform that has even fewer features than the unverified Discord accounts. The blog post is incorrect in claiming that verification will be mandatory. It will only be necessary to access certain features and content. For simple IRC-style chats or even for voice chats with gam…

The point is no policing at a platform level. Even jf jts just text only irc that would make it better than discord in it's current state.

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Post by mpeg »

hypeatei wrote: post #45
mpeg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't love what discord is doing, but where are you getting the idea that discord is going to estimate the user's age using "some AI garbage tool"? The article says everyone is on "child" mode by default, and verification is only required if you need to use the features / access content marked as adult only.

> but where are you getting the idea that discord is going to estimate the user's age using "some AI garbage tool" "Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age"[0] 0: https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-...

Interesting, since they specifically say they do not use message content in the age inference I wonder if “AI” is smoke and mirrors here and the real way this works might be good old fashioned data buying.

Since they have my email, they could infer my age based on purchase history, credit cards, etc all which is available to buy through the usual ad data brokers

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Post by true_religion »

rockskon wrote: post #28
Aurornis wrote: post #10

> Discord dropped the hammer: mandatory age verification for all users is rolling out next month. The era of anonymous gaming chats is officially over. This isn't really accurate. Age verification is not mandatory for all accounts. You will be able to join a Discord with your friends, chat, and do voice without age verification. Here's the exact list of what's restricted if you don't verify: > Content Filters: Discor…

Discord says they'll use some AI garbage tool. Those are prone to mistakes over a large enough userbase. It will not be a rare occurrence for an adult to be labelled a child until they debase themselves with a scan of their face or a copy of their government ID. For children - this mandate also still makes the decision on behalf of the parents that a child must submit a scan of their face to a third party. Moving to…

You don’t have to submit a picture of a face to prove you are child, because all accounts are “teen” accounts by default.

If they were age-gating children to make a safe space, that would be one thing, but they are instead making an adults only area where sexual content and flirting is allowed. For many people this is a bonus, because now like in a bar, you always know the person you’re taking to is an adult.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by mid-kid »

cortesoft wrote: post #84

> If you're staying on Discord, enjoy the surveillance. For the rest of us: it's time to learn how to self-host. Hmmm. I feel like self-hosting is the FASTEST way to lose your anonymity. Your self hosted service is MUCH more easily tied to your identity than some third party like discord. Just imagine you set up a self-hosted forum where you want to discuss something you want to keep private, but the government is ve…

Control over your data is part of anonymity. Sure, everyone will know the service belongs to you, but you'll be in total control over who knows what exactly. To most people not in the eye of the law, that is most of the anonymity they require.

Also, services like TOR exist. Both on the hosting and user side.

Re: Discord just killed anonymity

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Post by apopapo »

jayers wrote: post #110
echelon wrote: post #30

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Let's call this what it is: 1. A way for politicians and the state to track porn habits to US citizens and use that information against them in the future. Blackmail for the future politicians, business leaders, and wealthy to coerce them into doing what those in power want. 2. A way for conservatives to tighten the noose around non-chaste materials and begin to purge them from the internet. And if that works, that's…

As someone who was actually hurt by being exposed to pornography as a child (though this was on the wild internet before Discord), I think you're being both histrionic and downplaying the dangers posed to children online.

That does not mean everybody systematically is "hurt" like you were. That is a very dangerous extrapolation.
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