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AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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post #69

This intensification is really a symptom of the race to the bottom. It only feels 'exhausting' for people who don't want to lose their job or business to an agent; for everyone else, the AI is just an excuse to do less.

I'm sorry but if you're losing your job to this shit you were too dumb to make it in the first place.

Edit: Not to mention, this is what you get for not unionizing earlier. Get good or get cut.

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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post #81

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I just build a programming language in couple of hours, complete with interpreter with claude code. I know nothing about designing and implementing programming languages: https://github.com/m-o/MoonShot .

Yes, my point is that it was possible to build it before AI and in much less effort than people imagine. People in college build an interpreter in the less than couple weeks anyway and that probably has more utility. Consider two scenarios: 1) I try to build an interpreter. I go and read some books, understand the process, build it in 2 weeks. Results: I have a toy interpreter. I understand said toy interpreter. I le…

Yes, but you can combine the solutions. Aka, you know what you are working on.You can make it much faster. Or you builds something and learn from it.

I think there will be a lot of slop and a lot of usefull stuff. But also, what i did was just an experiment to see if it is possible, i don't think it is usable, nor do i have any plans to make it into new language. And it was done in less than 3 hours total time.

So for example, if you want to try new language features. Like let's say total immutability, or nullability as a type. Then you can build small language and try to write a code in it. Instead of writing it for weeks, you can do it in hours.

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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What kills me personally is that I'm constantly 80% there, but the remaining 20% can be just insurmountable. It's really like gambling: Just one more round and it'll be useful, OK, not quite, just one more, for hours.

If you think it's getting 80% right on its own, you're a victim of Anthropic and OpenAI's propaganda.

No I kind of see this too, but the 80% is very much the more simple stuff. AI genuinely saves me some time, but I always notice that if I try to "finish" a relatively complex task that's a bit unique in some regards, when a bit more complex work is necessary, something slightly domain-related maybe, I start prompting and prompting and banging my head against the terminal window to make it try to understand the issue, but somehow it still doesn't turn out well at all, and I end up throwing out most of the work done from that point on.

Sometimes it looks like some of that comes from AI generally being very very sure of its initial idea "The issue is actually very simple, it's because..." and then it starts running around in circles once it tries and fails, you can pull it out with a bit more prompting, but it's tough. The thing is, it is sometimes actually right, from the very beginning, but if it isn't...

This is just my own perspective after working with these agents for some time, I've definitely heard of people having different experiences.

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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post #97

> the productivity boost these things can provide is exhausting . What I personally find exhausting is Simon¹ constantly discovering the obvious. Time after time after time it’s just “insights” every person who smoked one blunt in college has arrived at. Stop for a minute! You don’t have to keep churning out multiple blog posts a day, every day. Just stop and reflect . Sit back in your chair and let your mind rest. W…

> You don’t have to keep churning out multiple blog posts a day, every day.

How do you know that? You don't think he's being paid for all this marketing work?

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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That's the bane of all productivity increasing tools, any time you free up immediately gets consumed by more work.

People keep on making the same naive assumption that the total amount of work is a constant when you mess with the cost of that work. The reality is that if you make something cheaper, people will want more of it. And it adds up to way more than what was asked before.

That's why I'm not worried about losing my job. The whole notion is based on a closed world assumption, which is always a bad assumption.

If you look at the history of computers and software engineering including compilers, ci/cd, frameworks/modules/etc. functional and OO programming paradigms, type inference, etc. There's something new every few years. Every time we make something easier and cheaper, demand goes up and the amount of programmers increases.

And every time you have people being afraid to lose their jobs. Sometimes jobs indeed disappear because that particular job ceases to exist because technique X got replaced with technique Y. But mostly people just keep their jobs and learn the new thing on the job. Or they change jobs and skill up as they go. People generally only lose their jobs when companies fail or start shrinking. It's more tied to economical cycles than to technology. And some companies just fail to adapt. AI is going to be similar. Lots of companies are flirting with it but aren't taking it seriously yet. Adoption cycles are always longer than people seem to think.

AI prompting is just a form of higher level programming and being able to program is a non optional skill to be able to prompt effectively. I'd use the word meta programming but of course that's one of those improvements we already had.

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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Had a similar experience recently, set up Claude code, wrote plans, CLAUDE.md etc. The plan was to end up with a nice looking hugo/bootstrap/ website. Long story short, it was ugly and didn't really work as I wanted. So I'm learning Hugo myself now... The whole experience was kind of frustrating tbh. When I finally settled in en did some hours of manual work I felt much better because of it. I did benefit from my pla…

Now that you get accustomed with Hugo, I wonder if the way you plan & prompting now will produce better result or not

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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It’s called the market. If you can compete while providing better life balance, go ahead and compete with those bad companies

It's called the market. Get back to work, slave.

Re: AI doesn’t reduce work, it intensifies it

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Had a similar experience recently, set up Claude code, wrote plans, CLAUDE.md etc. The plan was to end up with a nice looking hugo/bootstrap/ website. Long story short, it was ugly and didn't really work as I wanted. So I'm learning Hugo myself now... The whole experience was kind of frustrating tbh. When I finally settled in en did some hours of manual work I felt much better because of it. I did benefit from my pla…

Now that you get accustomed with Hugo, I wonder if the way you plan & prompting now will produce better result or not

I probably will, I use AI extensively, but mostly when I can't remember tedious syntax or suspect something can be done in a better way. And that work well for me... If I go too much towards vibe coding, the fun is sucked away for me.
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