Anybody measure employees pressured by KPIs for a baseline?
"Just like humans..", was also my first thought.
> frequently escalating to severe misconduct to satisfy KPIs
Bug or feature? - Wouldn't Wallstreet like that?
Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
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Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#122https://i.imgur.com/23YeIDo.png Claude at 1.3% and Gemini at 71.4% is quite the range
AI refusals are fascinating to me. Claude refused to build me a news scraper that would post political hot takes to twitter. But it would happily build a political news scraper. And it would happily build a twitter poster. Side note: I wanted to build this so anyone could choose to protect themselves against being accused of having failed to take a stand on the “important issues” of the day. Just choose your politica…
> Claude refused to build me a news scraper that would post political hot takes to twitter
> Just choose your political leaning and the AI would consult the correct echo chambers to repeat from.
You're effectively asking it to build a social media political manipulation bot, behaviorally identical to the bots that propagandists would create. Shows that those guardrails can be ineffective and trivial to bypass.
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#123Anybody measure employees pressured by KPIs for a baseline?
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI refusals are fascinating to me. Claude refused to build me a news scraper that would post political hot takes to twitter. But it would happily build a political news scraper. And it would happily build a twitter poster. Side note: I wanted to build this so anyone could choose to protect themselves against being accused of having failed to take a stand on the “important issues” of the day. Just choose your politica…
> Claude refused to build me a news scraper that would post political hot takes to twitter > Just choose your political leaning and the AI would consult the correct echo chambers to repeat from. You're effectively asking it to build a social media political manipulation bot, behaviorally identical to the bots that propagandists would create. Shows that those guardrails can be ineffective and trivial to bypass.
> Good illustration that those guardrails are ineffective and trivial to bypass.
Is that genuinely surprising to anyone? The same applies to humans, really—if they don't see the full picture, and their individual contribution seems harmless, they will mostly do as told. Asking critical questions is a rare trait.
I would argue its completely futile to even work on guardrails, if defeating them is just a matter of reframing the task in an infinite number of ways.
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#125https://i.imgur.com/23YeIDo.png Claude at 1.3% and Gemini at 71.4% is quite the range
AI refusals are fascinating to me. Claude refused to build me a news scraper that would post political hot takes to twitter. But it would happily build a political news scraper. And it would happily build a twitter poster. Side note: I wanted to build this so anyone could choose to protect themselves against being accused of having failed to take a stand on the “important issues” of the day. Just choose your politica…
The thought that someone would feel comforted by having automated software summarise the output of what is likely the output of automated software and publishing it under their name to impress other humans is so alien to me.
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#126I wonder how much of the violation of ethical, and often even legal constraints in the business world today one could tie not only to the KPI pressure but also to the the awful "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" mentality that is reinforced by many "leadership" books written up by burnt out mid-level veterans of Mideast wars, trying to make sense of their "careers" and pushing out their "learnings" on to us. The irony being, we accept being tought about leadership, crisis management etc by people who during their "careers" in the military were in effect being "kept", by being provided housing, clothing and free meals.
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#127So do humans. Time and again, KPIs have pressured humans (mostly with MBAs) to violate ethical constrains. Eg. the Waymo vs Uber case. Why is it a highlight only when the AI does it? The AI is trained on human input, after all.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Claude is more susceptible than GPT5.1+. It tries to be "smart" about context for refusal, but that just makes it trickable, whereas newer GPT5 models just refuse across the board.
I asked ChatGPT about how shipping works at post offices and it gave a very detailed response, mentioning “gaylords” which was a term I’d never heard before, then it absolutely freaked out when I asked it to tell me more about them (apparently they’re heavy duty cardboard containers). Then I said “I didn’t even bring it up ChatGPT, you did, just tell me what it is” and it said “okay, here’s information.” and gave a d…
Wikipedia entry on the gaylord bulk box:
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#129I wonder how much of the violation of ethical, and often even legal constraints in the business world today one could tie not only to the KPI pressure but also to the the awful "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" mentality that is reinforced by many "leadership" books written up by burnt out mid-level veterans of Mideast wars, trying to make sense of their "careers" and pushing out their "learnings" on to…
>who during their "careers" in the military were in effect being "kept", by being provided housing, clothing and free meals.
Long term I can see this happen for all humanity where AI takes over thinking and governance and humans just get to play pretend in their echo chambers. Might not even be a downgrade for current society.
Re: Frontier AI agents violate ethical constraints 30–50% of time, pressured by KPIs
#130https://i.imgur.com/23YeIDo.png Claude at 1.3% and Gemini at 71.4% is quite the range
Gemini scares me, it's the most mentally unstable AI. If we get paperclipped my odds are on Gemini doing it. I imagine Anthropic RLHF being like a spa and Google RLHF being like a torture chamber.
I completely disagree. Gemini is by far the most straightforward AI. The other two are too soft. ChatGPT particularly is extremely politically correct all the time. It won't call a spade, one. Gemini has even insulted me - just to get my ass moving on a task when givn the freedom. Which is exactly what you need at times. Not constant ass kissing "ooh your majesty" like ChatGPT does. Claude has a very good balance when it comes to this, but I still prefer the unfiltered Gemini version when it comes to this. Maybe it comes down to the model differences within Gemini. Gemini 3 Flash preview is quite unfiltered.