That's pseudoscientific nonsense for people who like to look at pictures with spiral overlays and go "woah, everything is connected!"
LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
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Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
#122When we designed Chrome, since minimalism was our thing and screens used to be small, A LOT of time was spent on the total vertical space - thin titlebar, slightly bigger tabstrip, and a large toolbar. Lots of discussion, lots of questions Telling people the height ratios between them followed the golden ratio was a very convenient way to shortcut the bikeshedding and get to "aha, very nice" The trick was it didn't f…
My favorite genre of graphic design is when you take a logo and work backwards to show the "very deeply thought about" construction, completely made up after the fact. The golden ratio is useful in that with a bit of fiddling you can fit pretty much anything to it. This is like catnip for "spiritual" types.
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#123"golden ratio" my ass, excuse my french, but you should let the design speak for itself, and the design here is just mediocre at best.
What a weird joke of a company is this.
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#124> Confusing. Inscrutible. But groundbreaking if we can pull it off.
You know what gets lift? Correct spelling (inscrutable)! Unless they chose that word specifically to misspell but that's meeting more than halfway.
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#125> Confusing. Inscrutible. But groundbreaking if we can pull it off. You know what gets lift? Correct spelling (inscrutable)! Unless they chose that word specifically to misspell but that's meeting more than halfway.
This line alone made me want to read the rest of the page, so good work! Hilarious and self-deprecating is how I took it.
Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
#126When we designed Chrome, since minimalism was our thing and screens used to be small, A LOT of time was spent on the total vertical space - thin titlebar, slightly bigger tabstrip, and a large toolbar. Lots of discussion, lots of questions Telling people the height ratios between them followed the golden ratio was a very convenient way to shortcut the bikeshedding and get to "aha, very nice" The trick was it didn't f…
My favorite genre of graphic design is when you take a logo and work backwards to show the "very deeply thought about" construction, completely made up after the fact. The golden ratio is useful in that with a bit of fiddling you can fit pretty much anything to it. This is like catnip for "spiritual" types.
Now I'm imagining an app that automatically back-engineers a 'golden ratio' analysis or similar bullshit explanation for you to save you the time and trouble of making it up yourself. Being able to give fussy clients an instant graphic design placebo would be super useful.
In a way it's anthropologically (and linguistically) interesting that such a bigram can gain this kind of status as a result of marketing, essentially. Probably having 'gold' in there helps. Maybe the app could have optional modes for completely new magic numbers:
- The Platinum Proportion - The Gilded Fraction - The Silver Symmetry - The Coveted Correspondence
Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chrome is so much not a reference in design that we should take this take carefully
All other browser I've tried (firefox, vivaldi, edge, safari, atlas, many others) and all other programs with a tab-based UI I use (zed, vs code, sqlitebrowser) look worse.
> All other browser I've tried (firefox, vivaldi, edge, safari, atlas, many others) and all other programs with a tab-based UI I use (zed, vs code, sqlitebrowser) look worse.
Both you and the poster could both be correct.
Looking good and being a poor interface are unrelated.
IOW, something could look absolutely beautiful and still have a nightmarish UI.
"Looking pretty" is subjective. Being a good UI is objective.
Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi, I'm the author, it me. You're right, I need to be clearer that golden ratio doesn't automatically equal beautiful. It's not sacred geometry. It's just pretty. I like it. And studies show people at large tend to find the proportions pleasing. It's just a rule of thumb, that's all. I just went crazy on the copywriting because I thought I'd need to in order to get the kit to stand out. I have now been extremely info…
> And studies show people at large tend to find the proportions pleasing. I don't think that's the case - or at least, not well-designed studies. There's nothing to suggest that people prefer 1.618 more than 1.61 or even 1.6, and probably not 1.5. It's like if we found people like the colour blue and then claimed that people like the shade of Mary's veil or something.
Brains are great at pattern recognition (lots of studies). This includes ratios. Your shade of color is not a good example, because it's just a single value, not relative to anything on its own. But if you have multiple colors, there will be various relationships/ratios between physical properties of the colors (wavelength, intensity etc.). Similar in music, 1:2 frequency ratio is recognized as an octave. Strongest ratios (i.e. strong pattern) are usually the simple ratios like 1:2, 1:3 & 2:3, etc. However, science hasn't been able to find out, if we can recognize Golden ratio because of the Fibonacci sequence pattern that is often found in nature or if it's to us just a ratio that is close to a simpler ratio like 5:3.
Re: LiftKit – UI where "everything derives from the golden ratio"
#129One tiny thing I don't see many UI libraries do when loaded with rounded corners: fix nested rounded boxes by adding the size of the gap between the outer and inner boxes to the border radius. Otherwise, you end up with the slightly off-kilter appearance of the snackbar component for example. [0] Chrome recently added this two-up pane layout for tabs, and it has this exact issue as well. [1]
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#130Sorry to pile on, but I also think that changing the background color in the before/after feels like you're purposefully trying to make the before one look worse. Like when in weight loss photos people don't smile and pose nicely in the before photos but they do in the after.