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Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by Incipient »

piker wrote: post #44
brushfoot wrote: post #23

Even without hacks, Copilot is still a cheap way to use Claude models: - $10/month - Copilot CLI for Claude Code type CLI, VS Code for GUI - 300 requests (prompts) on Sonnet 4.5, 100 on Opus 4.6 (3x) - One prompt only ever consumes one request, regardless of tokens used - Agents auto plan tasks and create PRs - "New Agent" in VS Code runs agent locally - "New Cloud Agent" runs agent in the cloud ( https://github.com/…

+1. I see all these posts about tokens, and I'm like "who's paying by the token?"

And I keep thinking who can AFFORD to pay per token? I did a simple test - three small files and a prompt was nearly 10k tokens. Compared to my actual code base, where I use 5.2/sonnet to parse huge chunks of my code...I'd be burning hundreds of dollars per day if i was doing it per token rather than copilot - let alone the huge agent sessions where I use Opus and it has 50+ back and forward attempts.

Please note I do actually read every line of code these reckless hacks generate haha.

Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by jtbayly »

Grimblewald wrote: post #116
jtbayly wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if there is actual competition, though? That’s the hope I keep having. If there is a cheaper, better model, I can switch.

For that to work it requires a free market, llms in their current format are a neccesarily closed market. It's like mobile phones. You'll get a sleek somewhat passable product increasingly dated and dysfunctional which every year serves you less and someone else more. Given I can't decide smart phones in their current form are shit, i'll make something better (without enromous capital) meams we're failing open market…

That’s not what free market means.

Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by Grimblewald »

jtbayly wrote: post #122
Grimblewald wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that to work it requires a free market, llms in their current format are a neccesarily closed market. It's like mobile phones. You'll get a sleek somewhat passable product increasingly dated and dysfunctional which every year serves you less and someone else more. Given I can't decide smart phones in their current form are shit, i'll make something better (without enromous capital) meams we're failing open market…

That’s not what free market means.

Tell my economics textbook not me. Free markets are defined, in part, by the absence of coercive impediments to economic activity, which explicitley includes restrictions on entry.

see "low barriers for entry"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by jtbayly »

Grimblewald wrote: post #123
jtbayly wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what free market means.

Tell my economics textbook not me. Free markets are defined, in part, by the absence of coercive impediments to economic activity, which explicitley includes restrictions on entry. see "low barriers for entry" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

"Low" is relative. But we've got people creating new models with millions of dollars, not billions. Granted, not thousands either. It's low enough that I don't think the barrier to entry is a problem.

Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by VerifiedReports »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #105
rf15 wrote: post #11

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The access to premium models. This much should have been evident from reading the ticket.

Premium models of what? None of that is in the headline, where it belongs. No idea what you're calling a "ticket."

Yeah, downvote facts.

Re: Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

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Post by Grimblewald »

jtbayly wrote: post #124
Grimblewald wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell my economics textbook not me. Free markets are defined, in part, by the absence of coercive impediments to economic activity, which explicitley includes restrictions on entry. see "low barriers for entry" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

"Low" is relative. But we've got people creating new models with millions of dollars, not billions. Granted, not thousands either. It's low enough that I don't think the barrier to entry is a problem.

Good golly miss molly them goalposts sure can fly

right, so basically the only people who can enter the market are those part of the same club who have brought us the stripped down and dated wonders before us today.

Take the mobile phone market, there is basically no innovation going on these days. Small iterative steps and minor improvements, each new generation another sensor removed or new consumer hostile bloat added, because everyone in the club agrees on how to fuck the consumer, irrespective of what the consumer wants. It's an illusion of choice.

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