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Eight more months of agents

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Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by matsemann »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #67
illusive4080 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bolstering your point, check out the comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1qy9dcs/who_has_compl... There’s a lot of unwillingness to even attempt to try the tools.

Those people are absolutely going to get left in the dust. In the hands of a skilled dev, these things are massive force multipliers.

That's one of the sentiments I don't quite grasp, though. Why can't they just learn the tools when they're stable? So far it's been sooo many changes in workflows, basically relearn the tools every three months. It's maybe a bit more stabilized the last year, but still one could spend an enormous amount of time twiddling with various models or tools, knowledge that someone else probably could learn quicker at a later time.

"Being left in the dust" would also mean it's impossible for new people / graduates to ever catch up. I don't think it is. Even though I learned react a few years after it was in vogue (my company bet on the wrong horse), I quickly got up to speed and am just as productive now as someone that started a bit earlier.

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by mattmanser »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #117

Local models are decent now. Qwen3 coder is pretty good and decent speed. I use smaller models (qwen2.5:1.5b) with keyboard shortcuts and speech to text to ask for man page entries, and get 'em back faster than my internet connection and a "robust" frontier model does. And web search/RAG hides a multitude of sins. "Using anything other than the frontier models is actively harmful" - so how come I'm getting solid resu…

Have you used the frontier models recently? It's hard to communicate the difference the last 6 months has seen.

We're at the point where copilot is irrelevant. Your way of working is irrelevant. Because that's not how you interact with coding AIs anymore, you're chatting with them about the code outside the IDE.

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by wasmainiac »

senordevnyc wrote: post #81
wasmainiac wrote: post #77

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Yes because A tech-bro AIs dream is hundreds of thousands of developers being let go and replacing them with no code tools. Sure, replace me with AI, but I better get royalties on my public contributions. I like many other developers have kids and other responsibilities to pay for. We did not share our work publicly to be replaced. The same way I did not lend my neighbour my car so he could run me over, that was impl…

We’ve been doing this to other professions for half a century. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Are you really going to appeal to nature here? As a species we are basically magic. We have gone to the moon, cured countless diseases and many other amazing things, but not to stop being taken advantage of? Is it too high of an ask?

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by entropyneur »

> I deeply appreciate hand-tool carpentry and mastery of the art, but people need houses and framing teams should obviously have skillsaws.

Where are all the new houses? I admit I am not a bleeding edge seeker when it comes to software consumption, but surely a 10x increase in the industry output would be noticeable to anyone?

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by xyzzy123 »

entropyneur wrote: post #124

> I deeply appreciate hand-tool carpentry and mastery of the art, but people need houses and framing teams should obviously have skillsaws. Where are all the new houses? I admit I am not a bleeding edge seeker when it comes to software consumption, but surely a 10x increase in the industry output would be noticeable to anyone?

Org processes have not changed. Lots of the devs I know are enjoying the speedup on mundane work, consuming it as a temporary lifestyle surplus until everything else catches up.

You can't saw faster than the wood arrives. Also the layout of the whole job site is now wrong and the council approvals were the actual bottleneck to how many houses could be built in the first place... :/

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by match_condition »

baq wrote: post #99
skydhash wrote: post #90

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It doesn’t matter how fast you run if it’s not the correct direction.

Good LLM wielders run in widening circles and get to the goal faster than good old school programmers running in a straight line

Ah, right, so it's a "skill issue" when GPT5.3 has no idea what is going on in a private use case.

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by csande17 »

entropyneur wrote: post #124

> I deeply appreciate hand-tool carpentry and mastery of the art, but people need houses and framing teams should obviously have skillsaws. Where are all the new houses? I admit I am not a bleeding edge seeker when it comes to software consumption, but surely a 10x increase in the industry output would be noticeable to anyone?

It's not 10x, but https://www.ft.com/content/5ac2ee5f-f8bd-4f39-a759-3c5c50c8b... has some graphs suggesting a 1.5x increase in metrics like "number of new apps published in the iOS App Store" and "lines of code committed by US GitHub users".

People haven't noticed because the software industry was already mostly unoriginal slop, even prior to LLMs, and people are good at ignoring unoriginal slop.

Re: Eight more months of agents

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Post by ares623 »

girvo wrote: post #101
estimator7292 wrote: post #51

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I mean when the tag line is "this will replace senior engineers and you, the senior engineer, must be forced to use it" Then yeah, it makes sense.

Yeah I’m baffled why people are surprised that senior+ engineers who are being told in one breath they will be replaced by this tool and also they MUST use this tool to make it better to replace them aren’t happy about it or want to use it willingly. I also find it wild how we’re sleepwalking into this, but I’m also part of the problem and using these things too.

If you're forced to use it by company mandate then that's fine. If you're not forced and still use it being fully aware, then I wish you well.
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