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Post by steveBK123 »

danaris wrote: post #60
Der_Einzige wrote: post #55

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If you look at the rapid acceleration of progress and conclude this way, well, de nile ain't just a river in egypt. Also yes LLMs are indeed AGI: https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-... This was Peter Norvig's take. AGI is a low bar because most humans are really stupid.

What rapid acceleration? I look at the trajectory of LLMs, and the shape I see is one of diminishing returns. The improvements in the first few generations came fast, and they were impressive. Then subsequent generations took longer, improved less over the previous generation, and required more and more (and more and more ) resources to achieve. I'm not interested in one guy's take that LLMs are AGI, regardless of hi…

> I look at the trajectory of LLMs, and the shape I see is one of diminishing returns

It seems even more true if you look at OpenAI funding thru 2022 initial public release to how spending has exponentially increased to deliver improvements since. We’re now talking upwards of $600B/yr of spending on LLM based AI infrastructure across the industry in 2026.

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Post by jezzamon »

beardyw wrote: post #10

I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects. A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately…

It's no coincidence that populism is rising. That's the non-violent way out - electing leaders that are willing to change the dynamics a lot.

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Post by masswerk »

secretsatan wrote: post #67

I was watching a youtube video the other day where the guy was complaining his website was dropping off the google search results. Long story short, he reworded it according to advice from Gemini, the more he did it, the better it performed, but he was reflecting on how the website no longer represented him. Soon, we'll all just be meatpuppets, guided by AI to suit AI.

Actually Louis Rossmann finding himself forced to convert his genuine advocacy for repair into textual convenience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2QF9JwtLc

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Post by zozbot234 »

coldtea wrote: post #120
zozbot234 wrote: post #118

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Call center workers are bound to a fixed script, they're basically humans who play robot as their job. Replacing this with AI is a welcome development. As for jobs like translator, graphic designer and journalist, it's only the extremely low-end work that can possibly be replaced with LLMs. Not an issue if they move upmarket. > And there's no shortage of companies press releases about cutting down thousands of jobs a…

> Replacing this with AI is a welcome development. Not if you fed your kid doing it, and now you can't. > As for jobs like translator, graphic designer and journalist, it's only the extremely low-end work that can possibly be replaced with LLMs. Not an issue if they move upmarket. Yes, fuck the 90% of those working in that space, and let's hope the 10% gets an "upmarket" gig there. All this grand-visioning sounds dev…

> Not if you fed your kid doing it, and now you can't.

Which happens all the time anyway. There just aren't that many people for whom being a call center worker is their long-term career, they'll just switch to some other job.

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Post by graemep »

ghaff wrote: post #105
graemep wrote: post #80

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They already do and always have. They never stopped hiring butlers (who are pretty well paid BTW), chefs, chauffeurs, maids, gardeners, nannies..... The terminology may have changed a bit, but they still employ people to do stuff for them One big difference is while professional class affluent people will hire cleaners or gardeners or nannies for a certain number or hours they cannot (at least in rich countries) hire…

A lot of it is probably more part-time but, yes, people who are some definition of rich spend more money on people to do more work for them (cleaning, landscaping, accounting, etc.) Doesn't mean they don't do any of those things--and outsourcing some can be more effort than it's worth--but they don't necessarily cut their own lawn or do car repairs.

If you are rich "outsourcing" is easy because you have people to handle that for you. You have senior servants like butlers and housekeepers who manage the rest of the staff, for example, so you are not directly hiring cleaners.

This is the difference between the affluent and the truly rich.

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Post by jodrellblank »

coldtea wrote: post #94
Der_Einzige wrote: post #51

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The fact that people see that basically the singularity is happening but can't imagine that humanoid robots get good rapidly is why most people here are bad futurists.

That fact that people see "the singularity happening" based on LLM results, is why most people are the kind of ignorant cheerleaders of tech that predicted robot servants, flying cars, and space colonies by 2000 in 1950.

Tomy made the Dustbot robot vacuum in 1985, Electrolux made the Trilobite robot vacuum in 1996, and then washing machines, dishwashers, tumble-dryers, microwaves, microwave meals, disposable diapers, fast fashion, and plug-in vacuums, floor steamers, carpet washers, home automation for lights and curtains, central heating instead of coal/wood fires and ash buckets, fridge-freezers and supermarkets (removing the need for canning, pickling, jamming, preserving), takeaways and food delivery, people having 1-2 children instead of 6-12 children. The amount of human labour in housework has plummetted since 1900.

Plenty of flying cars existed through the 1900s, including commercial ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car

The International Space Station was launched in 1998.

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Post by secretsatan »

masswerk wrote: post #123
secretsatan wrote: post #67

I was watching a youtube video the other day where the guy was complaining his website was dropping off the google search results. Long story short, he reworded it according to advice from Gemini, the more he did it, the better it performed, but he was reflecting on how the website no longer represented him. Soon, we'll all just be meatpuppets, guided by AI to suit AI.

Actually Louis Rossmann finding himself forced to convert his genuine advocacy for repair into textual convenience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2QF9JwtLc

That’s the one

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Post by azan_ »

coldtea wrote: post #98
Der_Einzige wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the rapid acceleration of progress and conclude this way, well, de nile ain't just a river in egypt. Also yes LLMs are indeed AGI: https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-... This was Peter Norvig's take. AGI is a low bar because most humans are really stupid.

> If you look at the rapid acceleration of progress and conclude this way There's no "rapid acceleration of progress". If anything there's a decline, and even an economic decline. Take away the financial bubbles based on deregulation and huge explosion of debt, and the last 40 years of "economic progress" are just a mirage filling a huge bubble with air in actual advancement terms - unlike the previous millenia.

That’s completely wrong. There was barely any progress in previous millennia. There was even economic Nobel prize for showing why!

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Post by Findecanor »

satisfice wrote: post #26
lm2s wrote: post #14

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Yes, that’s why they are on the race to building the very advanced robots. To prevent the violence towards them.

That is exactly the motivation. The problem with being a billionaire is you still have to associate with poor people. But imagine a world where your wealth completely insulates you from the resentful poor.

That notion is based on the misconception that for there to be very rich people, other people would need to be poor — that would resent you.

Economic science has pretty much proven that when the average income in a society is higher and fewer are poor, the economy moves more money and the rich benefit more as well.

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