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FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by lm28469 »

cr125rider wrote: post #106
skeptic_ai wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Fourth and Fifth amendments disagree

Sure but in the real world it can take months or years, Francis Rawls stayed 4 years in jail because he didn't want to unlock hard drives.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

learingsci wrote: post #110
hnrayst wrote: post #4

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Apple seems to strongly discourage the use of lockdown mode. Presumably it is in conflict with their concern over share price and quarterly earnings.

Didn’t they make it?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by blibble »

buckle8017 wrote: post #45
pc86 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: What are the "valid concerns" about people securing their computing devices against third parties?

Lockdown mode significantly effects the usability of the phone. It completely disables JIT js in Safari for example.

you can enable it for certain trusted websites

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by buckle8017 »

pc86 wrote: post #103
buckle8017 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdown mode significantly effects the usability of the phone. It completely disables JIT js in Safari for example.

"Don't secure your phone it might mess up JavaScript" is not something I had on my 2026 bingo card.

I mean I tried it for a bit and I have to say it was a significant compromise.

All kinds of random things don't work.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by danaris »

whynotminot wrote: post #92
anonymous908213 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article 12 of the United Nation's Declaration of Human Rights: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy [...] which has later been affirmed to include digital privacy. > I don’t think any government endorses that position. Many governments are in flagrant violation of even their own privacy laws, but that does not make those laws any less real. The UN's notion of human rights were an "ax…

> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy “Arbitrary” meaning you better have good reasons! Which implies there are or can be good reasons for which your privacy can be violated. You’re misreading that to mean your privacy is absolute by UN law.

But if you want to make it possible for the Feds to break into a terrorist's secure phone, you have to make it impossible for anyone to have a secure phone.

That is arbitrary interference with all our privacy.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by Analemma_ »

learingsci wrote: post #110
hnrayst wrote: post #4

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Apple seems to strongly discourage the use of lockdown mode. Presumably it is in conflict with their concern over share price and quarterly earnings.

How do they discourage it? It’s a clearly-labeled button in the Settings app, which brings up one modal sheet explaining what will change if you turn it on, then one more button press and it’s on.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by stouset »

skeptic_ai wrote: post #100
hnrayst wrote: post #4

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Absolutely every aspect of it?

What’s so hard about adding a feature that effectively makes a single-user device multi-user? Which needs the ability to have plausible deniability for the existence of those other users? Which means that significant amounts of otherwise usable space needs to be inaccessibly set aside for those others users on every device—to retain plausible deniability—despite an insignificant fraction of customers using such a feature?

What could be hard about that?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by robot_jesus »

learingsci wrote: post #110
hnrayst wrote: post #4

[flagged]

Apple seems to strongly discourage the use of lockdown mode. Presumably it is in conflict with their concern over share price and quarterly earnings.

Citation needed?

Apple does a lot of things I don't agree with in the interest of share price (like cozying up to authoritarian governments) but this seems like a reach to criticize them for a feature they have put extensive effort into, rather than applauding that they resist spying and enhance customer privacy. Sure, it's an optional feature and maybe they don't push broad acceptance of it, but it's important for those that need it.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by prophesi »

buckle8017 wrote: post #45
pc86 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: What are the "valid concerns" about people securing their computing devices against third parties?

Lockdown mode significantly effects the usability of the phone. It completely disables JIT js in Safari for example.

You can choose to exclude Safari from these protections[0]. Honestly, looking at the list of "limitations" you'll have while running Lockdown mode, I'm surprised most of them aren't the system default.

[0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/105120 - under "How to exclude apps or websites from Lockdown Mode"

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by extraaccounts »

macintux wrote: post #113
pc86 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm saying what does that have to do with a valid search warrant being executed?

There's a fair bit of dispute about whether this is valid. The active criminalization of journalism is worrisome.

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