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Post by embedding-shape »

gigatexal wrote: post #29
embedding-shape wrote: post #17

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> I still haven't experienced a local model that fits on my 64GB MacBook Pro and can run a coding agent like Codex CLI or Claude code well enough to be useful I've had mild success with GPT-OSS-120b (MXFP4, ends up taking ~66GB of VRAM for me with llama.cpp) and Codex. I'm wondering if maybe one could crowdsource chat logs for GPT-OSS-120b running with Codex, then seed another post-training run to fine-tune the 20b v…

I’ve a 128GB m3 max MacBook Pro. Running the gpt oss model on it via lmstudio once the context gets large enough the fans spin to 100 and it’s unbearable.

Yeah, Apple hardware don't seem ideal for LLMs that are large, give it a go with a dedicated GPU if you're inclined and you'll see a big difference :)

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by tclancy »

jstummbillig wrote: post #117
cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

> I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour You are doing that all the time. You just draw the line, arbitrarily.

The enemy of done is perfect, etc. what is the point of comments like this?

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by Propelloni »

bri3d wrote: post #80
RationPhantoms wrote: post #62

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There is weaponized malaise employed by these frontier model providers and I feel like that dark-pattern, what you pointed out, and others are employed to rate-limit certain subscriptions.

They have two products: * Subscription plans, which are (probably) subsidized and definitely oversubscribed (ie, 100% of subscribers could not use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time). * Wholesale tokens, which are (probably) profitable. If you try to use one product as the other product, it breaks their assumptions and business model. I don't really see how this is weaponized malaise; capacity planning and some fo…

So, if I rent out my bike to you for an hour a day for really cheap money and I do so a 50 more times to 50 others, so that my bike is oversubscribed and you and others don't get your hours, that's OK because it is just capacity planning on my side and widely accepted? Good to know.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by bri3d »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #114
bri3d wrote: post #80

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They have two products: * Subscription plans, which are (probably) subsidized and definitely oversubscribed (ie, 100% of subscribers could not use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time). * Wholesale tokens, which are (probably) profitable. If you try to use one product as the other product, it breaks their assumptions and business model. I don't really see how this is weaponized malaise; capacity planning and some fo…

I am curious to see how this will pan out long-term. Is the quality gap of Opus-4.5 over GPT-5.2 large enough to overcome the fact that OpenAI has merged these two bullet points into one? I think Anthropic might have bet on no other frontier lab daring to disconnect their subscription from their in-house coding agent and OpenAI called their bluff to get some free marketing following Anthropic's crackdown on OpenCode.

It will also be interesting to see which model is more sustainable once the money fire subsidy musical chairs start to shake out; it all depends on how many whales there are in both directions I think (subscription customers using more than expected vs large buys of profitable API tokens).

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by hnrodey »

Alxc1 wrote: post #112
cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

I must have missed it, but what did Claude disable access for? Last I checked Cline and Claude Max still worked.

OpenCode

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by mannanj »

jstummbillig wrote: post #117
cedws wrote: post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

> I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour You are doing that all the time. You just draw the line, arbitrarily.

That's great, yes. We all draw the line somewhere, subjectively. We all pretend we follow logic and reason and lets all be more honest and truthfully share how we as humans are emotionally driven not logically driven.

It's like this old adage "Our brains are poor masters and great slaves". We are basically just wanting to survive and we've trained ourselves to follow the orders of our old corporate slave masters who are now failing us, and we are unfortunately out of fear paying and supporting anticompetitive behavior and our internal dissonance is stopping us from changing it (along with fear of survival and missing out and so forth).

The global marketing by the slave master class isn't helping. We can draw a line however arbitrary we'd like though and its still better and more helpful than complaining "you drew a line arbitrarily" and not actually doing any of the hard courageous work of drawing lines of any kind in the first place.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

simonw wrote: post #109
giancarlostoro wrote: post #63

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I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

I buy the theory that Claude Code is engineered to use things like token caching efficiently, and their Claude Max plans were designed with those optimizations in mind. If people start using the Claude Max plans with other agent harnesses that don't use the same kinds of optimizations the economics may no longer have worked out. (But I also buy that they're going for horizontal control of the stack here and banning o…

If that was the real reason, why wouldn't they just make it so that if you don't correctly use caching you use up more of your limit?

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by [deleted] »

bri3d wrote: post #113
Nemi wrote: post #94

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> The subscription services have assumptions baked in about the usage patterns; they're oversubscribed and subsidized. Selling dollars for $.50 does that. It sounds like they have a business model issue to me.

This is how every cloud service and every internet provider works. If you want to get really edgy you could also say it's how modern banking works. Without knowing the numbers it's hard to tell if the business model for these AI providers actually works, and I suspect it probably doesn't at the moment, but selling an oversubscribed product with baked in usage assumptions is a functional business model in a lot of spa…

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Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by giancarlostoro »

volkercraig wrote: post #119
simonw wrote: post #109

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I buy the theory that Claude Code is engineered to use things like token caching efficiently, and their Claude Max plans were designed with those optimizations in mind. If people start using the Claude Max plans with other agent harnesses that don't use the same kinds of optimizations the economics may no longer have worked out. (But I also buy that they're going for horizontal control of the stack here and banning o…

Absolutely. I installed clawdbot for just long enough to send a single message, and it burned through almost a quarter of my session allowance. That was enough for me. Meanwhile I can use CC comfortably for a few hours and I've only hit my token limit a few times. I've had a similar experience with opencode, but I find that works better with my local models anyway.

Wow, that is very surprising and alarming. I wish Anthropic would have made a more public statement as to why they blocked other harnesses.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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Post by mirekrusin »

simonw wrote: post #109
giancarlostoro wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

I buy the theory that Claude Code is engineered to use things like token caching efficiently, and their Claude Max plans were designed with those optimizations in mind. If people start using the Claude Max plans with other agent harnesses that don't use the same kinds of optimizations the economics may no longer have worked out. (But I also buy that they're going for horizontal control of the stack here and banning o…

It should just burn quota faster then. Instead of blocking they should just mention that if you use other tools then your quota may reduce at 3x speed compared to cc. People would switch.
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