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Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#121

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Same video, two movies. Presentation, pace, timing, narrative all designed to reinforce your existing biases, even if you aren't aware of them. You look and think you've seen. You're nudged and put into a bubble with people offering up comments that validate and verify what you think, and what you know, and what you believe. Anything outside your bubble is framed as a conspiracy theory or the ramblings of deluded, ev…

While that may be true, the video I saw was murder. And it’s not a bubble or a pit anymore, it’s an island, a nation of their own mind. Consumerists till the end.

You saw a video that might have been murder. It might have been an accident. We know the gun he carried was notorious for unintended discharge. It might have been dropped and gone off, it might have fired accidentally in the agent's hand after being taken away, prompting the trained, legitimate response of law enforcement. It could have been a cold, deliberate execution if one of the CBP agents knew Pretti from previous conflicts and was antagonistic towards him. It could have been a heated, spur of the moment killing way outside the bounds of the law.

You certainly don't know - none of us have all the facts, and the investigation into it will reveal it. It's that both sides present the same facts, the same video, and tell two starkly different narratives, either of which are reasonable conclusions based on the facts that can be proven from the available evidence. What doesn't get talked about is that even with multiple videos, from multiple angles, nobody has sufficient evidence to definitively prove what actually happened.

What I do know is that it's extraordinarily stupid to get into a heated conflict with any sort of law enforcement, especially when armed, because any sort of accident or exceptional circumstance or misinterpretation of events is not going to go your way, legally and sometimes with regards to you losing your life. Pretti was in the wrong - you cannot physically interfere with and antagonize federal law enforcement. We have legal remedies to hold officers to account for overstepping or violations. He was well within his rights to record and then report the mistreatment of the woman he was stepping in to "protect", and the proper place and time to remedy that wrong is in court. If the officer was in the wrong, he'd have been held to account. Getting physical and up in the officers face and space was either stupid and ignorant, or a deliberate act intended to elicit additional violence. There's protest "training" out there that teaches people to do that sort of thing, with the intent of escalating violence deliberately, specifically for agitprop and convenient political narrative purposes.

The government has the sole and absolute monopoly on violence, for better or worse, and if you intrude on that in the slightest, you will lose.

They want the nebulous, uncertain, rorschach test incidents where they can spin an event to tell the story they want to tell, regardless of whether that story is actually true. That doesn't mean the CBP agents were in the right, nor that Pretti was responsible or did it on purpose, or that anyone involved in the whole series of events had ulterior motives. The only thing we know, until an investigation is finalized, and due process is enacted, is that we lack critical information that explains the full context and nuance of the incident. There are a metric shit ton of ways the actual story might have gone, ranging from schizophrenic break (by an agent, or Pretti) to suicide by cop, to tragic accident caused by a notoriously flawed weapon, to some other asshat, currently unknown, throwing a firecracker after the officer announced "gun", and so on. We don't even have enough information to know what's a "likely" outcome and make some reasonable Bayesian projections.

The videos we saw aren't proof of anything. They're evidence of dozens of different possible scenarios, with a wide range of likely possibilities, and dozens more we don't even know to consider without having the information that investigation will bring to bear.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#122

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While that may be true, the video I saw was murder. And it’s not a bubble or a pit anymore, it’s an island, a nation of their own mind. Consumerists till the end.

You saw a video that might have been murder. It might have been an accident. We know the gun he carried was notorious for unintended discharge. It might have been dropped and gone off, it might have fired accidentally in the agent's hand after being taken away, prompting the trained, legitimate response of law enforcement. It could have been a cold, deliberate execution if one of the CBP agents knew Pretti from previ…

I saw agents discharge their weapons. There’s no IF at this point. To even suggest that there is ANY alternative is feeding the misinformation flames.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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The slicer even introduces bugs in things that were working perfectly in the software they ripped off. For the A1 and P1S you're better off backporting the profile to PrusaSlicer or Orca. And don't get me started on the network plug-in (the lack of transparency there makes me fairly suspicious that something is up) and the lack of directory structure support on the SD cards. Really, how could you mess it up.

> in the software they ripped off. It’s a fork of PrusaSlicer, which was a fork of Slic3r. There’s a fork of BambuStudio called OrcaSlicer now. They didn’t “rip off” an open source project, they forked it just as the parent project forked another project. This is how open source is supposed to work, isn’t it? Why are we shaming them for doing the thing we always encourage and then giving features back to the communit…

You clearly don’t have any context into what Chinese companies have been doing when it comes to OSS. Being OSS doesn’t mean you can do what you want.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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But you have to get the software somehow? Once you get it, it works offline. The same here I guess: once you download the source code/binaries into browser's cache (that can store things indefinitely) it's offline.

True, but you are at the whims of the browser cache, and how long it wants to keep it around.

If you are worried, download and self host. As suggested on the website (when discussing trust and PII).

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#125
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Part of me wants to be wary. The useful life of industrial machinery such as CNC mills is much longer than the lifespan of websites, so locally-installed software you own is usually a better choice. But another part of me realizes that everyone is using Fusion360, despite the fact they have a history of taking away features to force people to migrate to paid tiers. So it probably doesn't matter.

> much longer than the lifespan of websites But browsers (and browser technologies) have documented track of being fully backward compatible up to the beginnings of WWW, and it's not going to change. Which actually is much much better than any other environment you can imagine - unless of course you use (and want to use) that one frozen in time 25 year old PC. And pray nothing breaks (y2k bugs and whatnot). If the so…

> But browsers (and browser technologies) have documented track of being fully backward compatible up to the beginnings of WWW, and it's not going to change.

That can however be undermined if web apps are poorly built and depend on quirks and behaviors specific to a particular engine (or in some cases, even particular versions of a particular engine) in order to function.

So I would say this benefit applies specifically to web apps that thoroughly apply KISS — that is, using only the most boring, solidified, widely supported APIs and favoring robustness over bells and whistles — and make a point of testing against all three major engines. Those apps will likely stand the test of time and run even under future new engines. On the other hand, the ones with severe shiny API syndrome that only ever get tested against the latest Chrome are probably much more brittle and more likely to be broken N years after abandonment.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#127

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You mean like PCBs? KiCad is pretty popular.

KiCAD has pretty awful UX though. I've tried all of the FOSS PCB design apps except LibrePCB (on my to-do list) and Horizon EDA is definitely the one I'd recommend (even though it also has a fair amount of UX oddities it's much better than KiCAD). DesignSpark PCB is also decent - only minor UX mistakes like warping the mouse when you zoom.

Kicad is great. If you don't like the UI then you haven't used it enough.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#128

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While that may be true, the video I saw was murder. And it’s not a bubble or a pit anymore, it’s an island, a nation of their own mind. Consumerists till the end.

You saw a video that might have been murder. It might have been an accident. We know the gun he carried was notorious for unintended discharge. It might have been dropped and gone off, it might have fired accidentally in the agent's hand after being taken away, prompting the trained, legitimate response of law enforcement. It could have been a cold, deliberate execution if one of the CBP agents knew Pretti from previ…

Hoss, you can rashomon yourself into any position.

That tactic is almost always an excuse to not realize some hard truth about the world.

Most of us look at your position and understanding you're literally just trying to gaslight yourself.

The kind of radical moral relativism indicated by your position was appealing to me when I was a sophomore philosophy student, in the same way that I found solipsism to be an interesting idea to entertain.

For instance, you know for a fact that "The government has the sole and absolute monopoly on violence" is a) not true, and as the gov becomes ever more violent it's not even "legitimate", which is the word you've gaslighted yourself into forgetting in your thinking here.

But I'm an adult now, and I have spent enough time questioning my beliefs. I have been around enough folks who think they are rational but who haven't done the "work" that I can smell it when I do it, and I can smell it when other folks do it.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

#129

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You saw a video that might have been murder. It might have been an accident. We know the gun he carried was notorious for unintended discharge. It might have been dropped and gone off, it might have fired accidentally in the agent's hand after being taken away, prompting the trained, legitimate response of law enforcement. It could have been a cold, deliberate execution if one of the CBP agents knew Pretti from previ…

I saw agents discharge their weapons. There’s no IF at this point. To even suggest that there is ANY alternative is feeding the misinformation flames.

"who you gonna believe, a random poster or your lying eyes?"

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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How would it know what is a firearm and what isn't? Seems trivial to defeat for someone who knows CAD, no?

They'll just run it through BigBrotherGPT, a CAD aware multimodal censorship bot specially trained to recognize Bad Things that must not be printed. And while this is sarcastic, it also occurs to me that it's also really, really achievable. OpenAI could probably whip one up in a weekend office hackathon.

I doubt it's actually achievable without either either a massive false positive rate or massive false negative rate.

Last I looked, the vast, vast majority of 3D printed firearms were basically just printing the receiver (the part that the government considers "the gun") which is more cosmetic than functional. It holds parts, but isn't pressure-bearing, the firing pin isn't attached to it, etc, etc. Like [1] is the part of a Glock that gets stamped, and you could trivially change every part of that except where the mag goes. You could move the mag button, you could add the slide for the upper afterwards (and would want to anyways, so it can be metal). You could also print snap-off plates over the holes so it looks solid.

I would wager humans would struggle with this given that the people designing the models are actively trying to hide what it is. This is a dedicated community, not really the casual "I'll do it if it's easy" crowd, because it's currently not super simple and easy.

1. https://shop.evosports.com/glock-g1718-lower-receiver-receiv...

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