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Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by huimang »

palata wrote: post #96
wswope wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it really worth it? Unequivocally yes. Fraud is fraud, and if your first instinct is to defend it in this manner, check yourself in the mirror.

[flagged]

This is a bit more than overselling a proof of concept. He made claims that were not correct, and presented some LLM generated code as point of pride. And not on his blog, but a company's website.

He's emblematic of the era we now live in. Vibe coded projects that the "developer" didn't learn anything from, posted using LLMs. People have zero shame, zero curiosity, zero desire in learning and understanding what they're working on.

Also it doesn't make sense to escalate an interaction by swearing at a person and simultaneously asking them to calm down.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by usefulposter »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #110
parliament32 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The learning is "they lied". After all, apart from marketing materials making a claim, where is the evidence?

Wait, we think they’re lying because an advisory was eventually found? We think that should be impossible with people involved?

Reading the necessary RFC is table stakes. Instead we got this:

>"NOOOOOOOO!!!! You can't just use an LLM to write an auth library!"

>"haha gpus go brrr"

(Those lines remain in the readme, even now: https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider?tab=rea...)

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by thunderfork »

imcritic wrote: post #54
rideontime wrote: post #47

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Why?

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Coming to the comments to brag about ignoring something you clearly didn't ignore (given that you're here in the comments) is actually pretty abnormal behavior.

Normal people don't jerk themselves off about being edgy in public. Hope this helps!

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by strange_quark »

blibble wrote: post #29
rideontime wrote: post #2

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

it seems as if literally everyone associated with "AI" is a grifter, shill (sorry, "Independent Researcher"), temporarily embarrassed billionaire, or just a flat out scammer I have yet to see a counter-example

I have a feeling that AI psychosis is more prevalent than we realize, especially in software.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by esseph »

alex_sf wrote: post #113
tamnd wrote: post #71

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-kuntz-61551869/ DevSecOps Engineer United States Army Special Operations Command · Full-time Jun 2022 - Jul 2025 · 3 yrs 2 mos Honestly, it is a little scary to see someone with a serious DevSecOps background ship an AI project that looks this sloppy and unreviewed. It makes you question how much rigor and code quality made it into their earlier "mission critical" engineering work.

Tbf, there is no one with a ‘serious DevSecOps background’. It’s an incredibly strong hint that the person is largely a goof.

Maybe, but the group of people they are/were working with are Extremely Serious, and Not Goofs.

This person was in communications of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, the group that just flew helicopters into Venezuela. ... And it looks like a very unusual connection to Delta Force.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by thunderfork »

palata wrote: post #111
parliament32 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a real "engineering" role, this person would be stripped of their license for stamping "production grade" on a bunch of AI slop. That doesn't exist in our trade, so yeah, public shaming is the next best thing. I sincerely hope links to this incident will haunt him every time someone googles his name forevermore.

As you say, it's pretty hard to say that the average quality of software engineering makes it deserve the word "engineering" at all. Most software is bad accross the board, and developers on average get pretty good salaries for... whatever they bring to the world. Still I don't think that some random employee deserves to be harassed and publicly shamed for a bad blog post.

In other industries this would be a gross ethical issue and potentially a legal one.

In this industry, public criticism for public fraudulence is "harassment", I guess? C'mon, man.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

simonw wrote: post #18
embedding-shape wrote: post #15

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Btw, after I wrote that initial article ("Cursor's latest "browser experiment" implied success without evidence"), I gave it my own try to write a browser from scratch with just one agent, using no 3rd party crates, only commonly available system libraries, and just made a Show HN about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522 The end result: Me and one agent (codex) managed to build something more or less t…

This project is awesome - it really does render HTML+CSS effectively using 20,000 lines of dependency-free Rust (albeit using system libraries for image rendering and fonts). Here's a screenshot I took with it: https://bsky.app/profile/simonwillison.net/post/3mdg2oo6bms2...

1 MB binary? That IS very impressive

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by Spunkie »

palata wrote: post #52
augusteo wrote: post #26

Technical blogs from infrastructure companies used to serve two purposes: demonstrate expertise and build trust. When the posts start overpromising, you lose both. I don't know enough about this specific implementation to say whether "implemented Matrix" is accurate or marketing stretch. But the pattern of "we did X" blog posts that turn out to be "we did a demo of part of X" is getting tiresome across the industry.…

To be fair, the technical posts from Cloudflare are usually very insightful .

Yeah normally the CF blog ranks as one of the best in the world in my book, so a post of lower quality and potentially AI slop really stands out here.

That said I think the concept of a full matrix server running all on CF infrastructure/services is an awesome blog post from CF.

Honestly I wish CF would simply unpublish/retract this blog post, put another engineer on it to help the PM, and spend another couple of weeks polishing the post/code to republish the same blog post.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by luckylion »

SahAssar wrote: post #115
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #76

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TPM isn't manager. It's basically a PM, but they're (supposed) to be technical

Does TPM not mean Technical Program Manager or Technical Product Manager?

Probably, but that isn't a management role, they're not a manager, even if the job title includes the word manager.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by asadotzler »

SahAssar wrote: post #115
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TPM isn't manager. It's basically a PM, but they're (supposed) to be technical

Does TPM not mean Technical Program Manager or Technical Product Manager?

Product Managers are generally not "Senior Engineering," though I suppose it is possible. IMO, it's a whole lot more likely a program manager than a product manager.
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