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Was low code platforms ever hyped to a tiny fraction of crypto and ai?
They were when we called them 4GLs.
You mean things like Ruby, Python, Java, SQL that are ubiquitous today?
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I’d been archiving/scrubbing each one so that the next assistant wouldn’t be able to use the previous branch as a guide, but since you asked, I pushed the archive of the Go one, feel free to rip it apart: https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser-go
https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser-go/blob/93f2638... Please stop using Acid3 as some holy grail that lets you say you built a browser. I have no idea how/if this passes Acid3 but this is not inline layout.
So I called out Acid3 in the original comment (and mentioned why it’s not the holy grail) so people wouldn’t get the idea that I was building full-on modern browsers. I’m not sure what I need to say to make y’all happy. I’m just excited that these tools are capable of doing non-trivial work and I’m having fun throwing tasks at it to see what comes out. I’m not going around telling people to download or use these things.
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I did a lot of postgraduate research around crypto from 2011 - 2016. There are a lot of parallels, and your message adds to them. "x is different because we can actually do useful stuff with it" is what every x enthusiast deep in an x bubble or pump n dump says about x. When the next big tech bubble comes along in 10 - 15 years, there will be people saying exactly what you just said: "NextBigTech you can actually use…
Exactly this. Before crypto it was Big Data, before that it was Low-code platforms
There was also a mini bubble around social media aggregators and RSS feeds culminating in sites like gada.be
I see the dynamic as follows (be warned, cynical take)
1) there are the youth who are seeking approval from the community - look I have arrived - like the person building the steaming pile of browser code recently.
2) there are the veterans of a previous era who want to stay relevant in the new tech and show they still got mojo (gastown etc)
In both cases, the attitude is not one of careful deep engineering, craftsmanship or attention to the art, instead it reflects attention mongering.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser-go/blob/93f2638... Please stop using Acid3 as some holy grail that lets you say you built a browser. I have no idea how/if this passes Acid3 but this is not inline layout.
So I called out Acid3 in the original comment (and mentioned why it’s not the holy grail) so people wouldn’t get the idea that I was building full-on modern browsers. I’m not sure what I need to say to make y’all happy. I’m just excited that these tools are capable of doing non-trivial work and I’m having fun throwing tasks at it to see what comes out. I’m not going around telling people to download or use these thin…
Brother.
Your browser does not have the concept of breaking a line once it gets too long[1].
Your browser does not even shape text during layout and it renders text using a DrawString[2] function from a library that only applies kerning. No complex shaping to be seen in a light-year radius.
There is no trace of bidi-reordering either. I can't link to anything here since there's nothing to link to.
I will leave this[3] here too but I'm not going to draw conclusions without a deeper understanding of wtf the agent did here and how Acid3 works.
From now on if you still don't understand how this does not deserve the title of a browser I will assume you are trolling.
> I’m not going around telling people to download or use these things.
My problem is that you're telling people you built a browser. Some people have standards for what can be considered even a "toy" browser (this is not it).
[1] https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser-go/blob/93f2638...
[2] https://cs.opensource.google/go/x/image/+/refs/tags/v0.35.0:...
[3] https://github.com/chrisuehlinger/viberowser-go/blob/93f2638...
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I mean besides crypto and ai being big investments, i barely see any parallels. AI you can actually use to build useful things in the world , and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building.
> and tokens are used not as trading , but transactional currency to do that building. I think it's funny that you highlight this, because for many blockchains, their native token is the transactional currency also. Which opens up the possibility for a marketplace around it, as well as an incentive to grift to recoup one's investment. AFAIK there's no similar market for LLM tokens (the price may fluctuate, but the AI…
> the grift works by instead selling the outputs from using the tokens.
is it grift if I want the output, and its contributing usefully to the work I am doing now,?
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#126The top three stories on hn right now: 1. ▲ Moltbook (moltbook.com) 538 points by teej 8 hours ago | hide | 293 comments 2. ▲ Software Pump and Dump (tautvilas.lt) 108 points by brisky 5 hours ago | hide | 25 comments 3. ▲ OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again (openclaw.ai) 256 points by ed 6 hours ago | hide | 110 comments This is art.
TIL about all that stuff, Moltbook, Openclaw, Gas Town, and I don't get it anymore. It's too much. Forums for chatbots with their own religion but its actually a crypto scam and vibecoded hypesoftware to scam people with sh*tcoins because yolo and whatnot. I'm out.
I read a bit about Gas Town, and I'm still confused if it's a super-inception, metajoke that I don't get; or a clever, invite-only party to which I'm not invited. All the original article (and the discussions & responses to the responses) did was make me feel stupid, but I have enough experience and self-worth to know I'm not stupid so I'm just going to refuse to play. I recently spent more than a week pretty disconnected from this all and haven't felt that good in a long time!
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No, AI is different because we're actively doing useful stuff with it. It's not "this will replace x soon", it's "I don't x anymore because it would be crazy not to use AI for this, which is what I do on a daily basis already."
"No, NewBigTech _is_ different, trust me, I'm an expert in all the things this tech does for us now." Crypto was doing stuff in 2012, it contributed to a huge amount of global remittance payments even then, and probably still does now. I was working with intelligence agencies, and crypto was being widely use in a variety of crimes too. Both of those are still probably true, and then there's now probably an entire ind…
> if everyone is already using AI for everything, then why do we need a few hundered billion dollars more of datacentres, chips, RAM and powergen
Because everyone is already using AI for everything. That proves its value.
But of course the future isn't evenly distributed yet and only a tiny fraction of 1% of us are using AI all day so far. But once somebody gets converted they don't / can't go back to the old way. And converting them is pretty much instant.
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It's basically for private/personal usage, almost no concurrent jobs ever, but I don't have the entire day to wait for builds. Doing maybe 10-12 builds per day on average. Storage won't be an issue, it'll be networked from outside of the box, but I'm curious if there is massive difference in performance between M4 Pro and M3 Ultra. FWIW, I'm mostly doing Rust builds at the moment.
I’m doing that (similar scale and same language) with a base model M4 mini. Works great. Anything more is overkill imo.
Thanks! Yeah, guess it's mostly nitpicky choice between M4 Pro and M3 Ultra, and both would work fine ultimately.
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You see that you're assessing AI from the depth of the AI bubble and coming to the same conclusion about AI as people who assess crypto from the depths of a crypto bubble came to, right? The dotcom bubble was due to all the useless, speculative stuff people were doing with the internet, not the useful bits you referred to that are still around which we use today. The AI bubble is coming from all the useless, speculat…
The argument for more datacenters is 2 fold: - Likely to be a zero sum winner. The Players that have invested now, do not want to be left behind. - The improvement and capabilities in agents continues to grow. There is no reason to believe this will slow down any time soon
I said explain without speculation. You've just given 2 points that both reduce down to "potential but unquantifiable future benefits", or "speculation".
> There is no reason to believe this will slow down any time soon
Now you're trolling, surely?
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I agree! AI, crypto and dotcom were all hugely valuable and world changing. It's a shame they were all afflicted with hypes and bubbles along the way.
Since you're very active with the commenting, what would you say is your definition of "bubble"?
Cyclical speculative investment.
All investment is kind of speculative: you're betting on the future, but typically for a reason.
A bubble, IMO, is what emerges when lots of people bet on the future purely because they see others betting on the future. People often don't realise they're doing it, like the people building AI SaaS apps. They think they're going to get rich because they think everyone is using the bubble tech.
Most of the apps are rubbish and could be implemented with something other than AI, same as a lot of crypto apps or dotcom websites in the bubble periods.
They look like they're useful in the bubble, because they're getting regular customers (as everyone comes in to try this newfangled AI/Crypto/dotcom tech) but once everyone's tried it, the only people who come back are the ones with the actual use for it, and there's never enough use to support the hype created in bubbles.