It's a good start. Ban it for all under 30s and over 60s.
Ban it for everyone at that point. What's the point of not letting adults use social media, exactly?
Same as the point of banning online gambling or methamphetamines
France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the social media of today don't seem all that much different from the internet forums of back in the day I’m not trying to be a jerk, but did you actually participate in “Internet forums back in the day?” I couldn’t think of anything more different than contemporary social media. Internet forums in late 90’s and early 00’s were something special. Hell, I had more “internet friends” from online forums attend my wedd…
4chan is old enough to drink. Something Awful is from the 20th century. Don't pretend that transgressive internet content is some novel challenge that today's youth must face for the first time.
4chan is a peaceful place compared to modern social media.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This site is social media. Is it? If so then I would say the term "social media" has more or less lost all meaning. To me HN is more like an old-school forum - it has a focus and it has a mod team to keep the rails on the discussion and keep the topics vaguely on topic.
My point is that it's hard to define social media in a way that excludes HN but includes the services that the activist sort thinks are disrespecting the gods of the city and corrupting the youth. Laws must be rooted in conduct, not identy.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the Conseil d'État is not a supreme court, so their opinion on the subject is irrelevant.
The décret establishing the list of social networks forbidden to the European law takes precedence over national law, so the effectiveness of the bill appears to be limited. The same thing happened with the French age verification bill for adult websites.
>European law takes precedence over national law
Which European law supersedes this law? My unfamiliar guess is that if there is no specific contradiction then French law stands, otherwise how can any country pass any laws in the EU?
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#125Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
The décret establishing the list of social networks forbidden to the European law takes precedence over national law, so the effectiveness of the bill appears to be limited. The same thing happened with the French age verification bill for adult websites.
>European law takes precedence over national law Which European law supersedes this law? My unfamiliar guess is that if there is no specific contradiction then French law stands, otherwise how can any country pass any laws in the EU?
The Conseil d'Etat seems to think that there is a contradiction between the original draft and the DSA: https://www.conseil-etat.fr/avis-consultatifs/derniers-avis-... (starting at number 12)
> "By imposing a ban on access to social media on online platforms, the wording of the proposed law could be seen as raising difficulties with regard to the Digital Services Act."
Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s
#127Some related information, I see a lot of talk about how people feel social media or phones affect young people, but little data or input from researchers who are not politicians or selling books. From Nature[1]: > Time spent on social media among the least influential factors in adolescent mental health From the Atlantic[2] with citations in the article: > The Panic Over Smartphones Doesn’t Help Teens, > It may only…
Even Meta's OWN research indicated social media is actively harmful to teens.
That means, the people with the most to lose couldn't even escape this conclusion.
Sure, you may be able to find 1 or 2 counterexamples, big tabacco also had a lot of "doctors" who found smoking not that bad.
https://www.reuters.com/business/instagram-shows-more-eating...
Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s
#128Governments just want to normalize ID verification for using online platforms. Children's safety is always the go-to cry for assimilating more power.
Starting in 2025, the European Commission is implementing a "mini-wallet" app (an Age Verification App Blueprint) designed to allow users to prove they are over 18 without disclosing their identity or exact age.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/age-verification-europ...
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#129And of course they will demand that everyone is required to do a KYC. At sone point vpn access will require that as well. And finally the internet as we know it will be a thing of the past.
Starting in 2025, the European Commission is implementing a "mini-wallet" app (an Age Verification App Blueprint) designed to allow users to prove they are over 18 without disclosing their identity or exact age.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/age-verification-europ...