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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by general1465 »

komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

> Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware

It is sold by Israeli engineers for at least a decade and mostly bought by law enforcement.

> Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors

That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, but it is usually done by Italians or Swiss. And specifically for John Deere we had some Ukrainian company, I don't remember exact name.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jonathanstrange »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #112
bootsmann wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is NATO, a lot of the EU is reluctant to push back because at the end of the day the US guarantees that Russia cannot pursue the type of landgrab it is currently trying to do in Ukraine against other states. The risk that the US runs into when trying to take Greenland is that this argument loses weight instantly, so the expectation is that the EU will be much more willing to use its anti coercion tools if…

Russia already fails in Ukraine where they are fighting with our old junk, and the other EU States are kicking their defense industry in full gear. What makes you think they could win a full scale war against the EU

Russia don't have to be able to win a full-scale war against the EU for such a war to break out, it suffices that deterrence breaks down sufficiently that Russia get the idea they can get away with some land grab, e.g. in one of the Baltic countries.

The war in Ukraine illustrates very well the difference between perception and reality. Perception counts for deterrence.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by blibble »

alephnerd wrote: post #38
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

> why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders... Because that means we in the US may as well quasi-nationalize major European investments in the US like VW, Siemens, Saint-Gobains, OnSemi, NXP, Arm, and Nexperia and target European luxury cultural exports like Cognac (LVHM), Wine (LVMH), designer clothes (LVMH), designer purses (LVMH), and others like China did. As a result, oli…

> As a result, oligarchs like (eg.) Arnault (LVMH) would metaphorically slap Macron like they did on multiple occasions [0][1], and threaten to switch to supporting the RN. If they made Macron in 2017 [2], they can unmake him in 2026 [3].

I don't think americans quite understand how much the population has shifted from being pro-USA to anti-USA

in the space of a year, as the orange cretin has been throwing his wrecking ball around

we don't have the cancer that is fox news

some billionaire who makes fancy handbags saying he's going to support a different political party will have zero impact on election results

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by instig007 »

saubeidl wrote: post #101
pessimizer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact is that there is no potential there. Europe has no leverage over the US. It is not holding back anything, it has nothing. Somehow when the US went to war with Russia, it ended up completing the conquest of Europe. Europe used to just be stagnant. Now it is stagnant and isolated from everywhere except the US, and the US treats it accordingly.

Europe has, in no particular order: - ASML - Nukes - Large proportion of US bonds - One of the wealthiest and most profitable markets in the world - The world's largest trade network - currently aggressively expanding into LatAm with the Mercosur deal despite Trump's Monroe 2.0 ambitions. Just a few off the the top of my head. There's plenty leverage there.

> ASML

Who's the customer base of ASML? Are they predominantly based in Europe?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by komali2 »

general1465 wrote: post #121
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

> Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware It is sold by Israeli engineers for at least a decade and mostly bought by law enforcement. > Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, but it is usually done by Italians or Swiss. And specifically for John Deere we had some Ukrainian company, I don't remember exact name.

> That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools,

Sure, but it's a crime to provide these tools to people or instruct them how to bypass controls, is it not?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

This article is just wrong about the facts. Doctorow says "Anticircumvention law originates in the USA", but anticircumvention law originates in the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which all EU members and all their major trade partners are signatory to. The DMCA was passed to 2 years after this treaty was signed to implement the American obligations under it.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by general1465 »

komali2 wrote: post #125
general1465 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware It is sold by Israeli engineers for at least a decade and mostly bought by law enforcement. > Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, but it is usually done by Italians or Swiss. And specifically for John Deere we had some Ukrainian company, I don't remember exact name.

> That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, Sure, but it's a crime to provide these tools to people or instruct them how to bypass controls, is it not?

If it is a crime, then chip tunning companies are having suicidally noisy marketing.

Furthermore one of HN users has this repo up https://github.com/bri3d/VW_Flash

It is doing what chip tunning companies are doing but in less polished package. If it is a crime, why is it still up?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by forgotTheLast »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #24
picafrost wrote: post #11

Totally bizarre to watch the US transform from the endearingly crazy and rich friend to the one who holds you at gunpoint and robs you.

Transforms. Look at history, they’ve always done that when convenient to them.

The first world is now getting the third world treatment

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by mjmsmith »

voidfunc wrote: post #20
shlip wrote: post #8

We will soon discover if the EU actually as a spine or is just a bendover for the US...(My money is on the latter, and I'm from EU)

Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

But would you trust the bat shit crazy US to protect you from Russia?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by DustinEchoes »

lyu07282 wrote: post #99
joduplessis wrote: post #26

I wish Europe would just push back. More than what they are currently. There is so much potential there, but somehow the EU all look at the US as some form of idealogical father figure. Excuse the hyperbolic-talk.

It's like when every liberal scoffs at leftists opposing US imperialism, nothing about the power balance has changed. Europe was always a vassal of the empire. This is the liberal international order, this is what that means, not what they tell you it means, but what it actually means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_international_order That's why they can kidnap Maduro, have the BBC censor the word "kidnapped"…

Leftists can go eat shit. They spent over a year convincing people not to vote for Kamala. Their preferred candidate won!
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