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Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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I’m surprised how many places in the world measure rain in percentage chance. Must be a metropolitan concept. Here in Denmark, weather reports estimate mm/hr - the amount of rain. Maybe it’s our agricultural inheritance?

mm/hr is more useful for areas that get lots of rain. When I was living in Seattle, chance of rain was meaningless but mm/hr made the difference between being able to do an outside activity or not. In California, chance of rain makes sense because it rains very little.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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It's amazing to me that nobody has been able to match their UX (Apple in particular - how did they fumble the acquisition so badly?). The Weather Channel by most accounts has the best model but one of the worst websites of all time. live.xweather.com (formerly Aeris) is kind of close, but is basically an ad for their API/commercial subscriptions and not really built for day-to-day use. Some of the open source clones…

Carrot is a pay app but it has a vertical view that matches Dark Sky in everything but Map, and I use it all the time, mostly with Apple Weather as the source (no source is as good as Dark Sky was (and I compared Dark Sky and Apple Weather when both were overlapping), the others have not been as good at my location).

I don’t know if Carrot can use Apple Weather as a source on Android. Also it seems like the Android version is not in active development.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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One of the things that made Dark Sky so great was its simplicity and focus. Apple Weather has added many of DS’s features over the past few years, but it’s so much more busy and dense with information. This is a problem that Carrot Weather and many of the other apps mentioned in the comments here also have. There was something very special about that app, and I really do miss it (also Apollo, Google Reader, Gaia GPS, and all the other apps that were canceled or turned into bloated monstrosities before their time).

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Dark Sky was a marvel, and when it first came out, its ability to say rain will start where you are in 2-3 minutes was a marvel. The information design argument is 100% valid, but I also marvel that, having bought the company, Apple's weather app still isn't as precise or accurate. I don't know whether Apple's privacy focus prevents them making the same precise predictions, or if there is some other reason they don't…

> Apple's weather app still isn't as precise or accurate Is it not? The rainfall-per-minute over the next hour on iOS seems about the same accuracy as Dark Sky had -- I used Dark Sky for years. It wasn't perfect but it worked well enough, same as iOS did after. You can even scrub the precipitation map predictions and they look the same to me. I know the Dark Sky prediction accuracy was greatly dependent on where you…

I haven't done the stats, so I should probably have said "Apple's weather app still doesn't seem as precise or accurate"

That said, I'd still bet a dollar (that to be fair, I might lose) that Apple today is less accurate, and if they're just as accurate twelve years on, that's a fail as well.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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fwiw, on iOS, I like using WeatherGraph: https://weathergraph.app/ The developer is very responsive, lots of UI customization (both app and widgets) is possible, and pricing is reasonable.

I just downloaded it to try it out after seeing it in a few comments. While some of the visualizations seem like ones I could get used to and like, the radar is severely lacking. I use radar a lot and DarkSky’s view was amazing and just fun to play with. Weather Graph has it buried at the bottom and just loads up weather.gov. It’s hard to justify paying a premium with radar feeling pretty ignored. His website mention…

If you are serious about weather radar, consider RadarScope. It is professional grade weather visualization of all products.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Can someone explain why the main screen in iOS weather, below the current temperature, shows the high temperature to the left of the low temperature? In all other places in the app, the low is to the left of high.

Even worse: why do they use high/low based on calendar date rather than daily high and overnight low. During a cold snap one cold night will show up as the low for two consecutive days instead of a single “overnight”

In Carrot and Apple Weather, I think the daily temperature graphs should be chronological so for those days where the low is late at night (temperature drops all day) you know when the cold is happening at a glance.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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The Apple Weather app absolutely sucks. I have learned to ignore its predictions. It will say that it's sunny outside, and I'll look out the window, and we're having a hailstorm.

Can anyone recommend a good app to replace it? No ads, lightweight etc.

I’ve been happy with Carrot.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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The Apple Weather app has gotten better over time, though it’s still not a perfect replacement. Scrolling through the Dark Sky screenshots, I can recognize many of the same things now incorporated with Apple’s. And Apple does offer location specific notifications of rain which I find to be pretty accurate, about as accurate as Dark Sky. There’s largely a perception problem with Apple. People loved Dark Sky as an inde…

> The Apple Weather app has gotten better over time

Interesting, I think it's gotten worse over time. Even basics like what the temperature will be in a few days. It's consistently ~5+ degrees off on the low side.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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I paid for it and got nothing at all. I don't remember if the app quit working or if Apple force removed it from my phone.I felt absolutely scammed - it's literally the only app I've ever paid for. It really sucks. Do they use the same data? I've noticed Apple Weather is substantially less accurate than Dark Sky. If Dark Sky told me it was going to rain in 10 minutes for 7 minutes, that's what was going to happen. If…

DarkSky seemed to have their own weather service (not sure the source data), but they had their own API that other apps used. Apple shut the API down after a couple years. This meant the death of the DarkSky website and the old apps. Apple says they use data from the weather channel, but this varies based on country. It used to say right in the app, but it seems like they removed that in favor of this link: https://s…

Actually Apple says they use their own data (presumably Dark Sky) and used to use the Weather Channel in the US.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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I thought we lived in the age of infinite AI software and you could just ask for a Dark Sky clone. Weather APIs are pretty open. What's stopping you?

Carrot does this, but Dark Sky was more than just a repeat of weather data from other sources. They built their own geographic models with feedback to create their hyperlocal forecasts. Apple has that technology but their implementation hasn’t seemed to be as good (possibly because their feedback loop is slow).
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