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The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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post #84

This ban has more to do with how much geodetic data is being transmitted to China and less to do with the actual drone technology. People flying DJI drones are mapping the US on China's behalf, and that too with great fidelity.

    > "People flying DJI drones are mapping the US"
With more fidelity than, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/ or https://maps.google.co.uk/ ?

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#122
post #51

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> as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine America is helping Russia with its invasion of Ukraine.

By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?

>I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us.

Is there a war we needed to fight with Russia in this decade, the next decade, or the last, and if so, is Ukraine even damaging the parts that matter?

Russia nukes hold America at threat, not a bunch of conscripts and some old BMPs. America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties, and there’s even an argument that a destabilized, volatilized Russia would be more dangerous for America.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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That's not what happened. Why does this keep getting repeated? The videos from different angles are out there for everyone to see.

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Its obvious that she was resisting arrest and trying to flee. But as for the ICE agent being in front of the car... barely. I don't believe he genuinely feared for his life, he could have simply stepped out of the way. I think he saw the woman fleeing, figured he was close enough to being in harms way to justify himself, and shot the woman because he was mad at her.

I've been in situations like that in Walmart parking lots, where a car jolts forward and I have to jump out of the way, and maybe I say "That crazy bitch just tried to kill me" but while saying that I understand it to be a hyperbolic albeit justified anger at reckless driving, and that nobody was actually trying to kill me, and shooting the driver in the face instead of diving out of the way would be a suboptimal survival strategy even if homicidal intent was there.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at t…

Trump will be gone in 3 years. Maybe fewer depending on his health. It's unlikely that this change will have any meaningful effect on US democracy. On the other hand, little drones are effectively munitions now. That means drone manufacturing capacity is effectively munitions manufacturing capacity. We're giving potential adversaries economies of scale building things that may be used to kill us. I'm generally a pret…

The US has been having significant (and increasing) issues with democracy for a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/how-stop-m...

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

#125
post #42

I'm in favor of tighter regulation on drone imports, both for national security reasons and to try to jumpstart a US drone industry. Not allowing _any_ foreign made components, however, is insane, as is not even auditing DJI when they didn't put up a fight. They have to know they're just killing the small drone industry completely.

Less drones for you, more for the military. There is no real downsides for the current gov’t here.

I build hobby scale drones for fun, mostly sub250g micros with no military value.

I’d pay more for domestic parts, because I think the capability is strategically valuable, and the quality of Chinese stuff is super variable.

There’s basically no industry here because the aliexpress parts are so cheap, so I support some protectionism, understanding that it will make the hobby more expensive.

I think you’re probably right, but I think going for million dollar drones from anduril while wiping the rest of the market is a miscalculation.

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#126
post #13

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Hence they are vulnerable to their suppliers....

The lesson learned from Ukraine is that importation of drones is a terrific asset, rather than a liability. Maybe you think that lesson would not apply to the USA, but that wouldn't be a lesson learned from Ukraine, rather the lesson learned would be the opposite.

The lesson from Ukraine is the importance of having access to drones. It doesn't take any remarkable mental feats to realize that if your primary source of drones is China, then that access may not be reliable in the event of conflict with China.

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Protestors and cops having tussles in the streets falls short of my bar for "brutal violence"; shooting a woman in the face certainly qualifies, but I am not seeing anything like that so widespread that it could motivate a drone ban like some people in this discussion are asserting. The political violence in America right now doesn't even come close to what was normal in living memory in the 20th century. America tod…

> The DJI ban is about China, not domestic protests. It can be about both. Two birds, one stone.

It could be, but I think you're just drawing spurious connections between two unrelated current events.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

#128

I'm in favor of tighter regulation on drone imports, both for national security reasons and to try to jumpstart a US drone industry. Not allowing _any_ foreign made components, however, is insane, as is not even auditing DJI when they didn't put up a fight. They have to know they're just killing the small drone industry completely.

Limiting competition does not jump start anything it simply introduces complacency.

There’s currently nobody in the us small drone market to get complacent. Is there a single company that designs and builds sub $10,000 drones in the US?

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

#129
post #84

This ban has more to do with how much geodetic data is being transmitted to China and less to do with the actual drone technology. People flying DJI drones are mapping the US on China's behalf, and that too with great fidelity.

I always thought the risk was more that such a drone fleet could be remotely commandeered for real-time updates on target locations. It's something that could only be done once, but wow, it would be a real advantage to the attacker.

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post #24

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> You can't take one tragic mistake or bad-apple cop and draw conclusions about the fate of the country from it. As per a sibling comment: > The bad apples metaphor originated as a warning of the corrupting influence of one corrupt or sinful person on a group: that "one bad apple can spoil the barrel". Over time the concept has been used to describe the opposite situation, where "a few bad apples" should not be seen…

Regardless of all the rest, what a saying meant 1000 years ago is irrelevant. I find it bizarre anyone is providing historical usage as if proves something.

You could pick endless words and sayings in English from 1000 years ago, which are entirely different now.

So what?

The modern usage is quite clear.

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