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Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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> The docs are the only way people find out about our commercial products I know nothing about marketing, but why would you rely on one single source? Or interpreted differently (as a statement of fact): allow that situation to occur?

I think in this case, just about everyone falls into the funnel. I think it's difficult to find a potential buyer of tailwind who doesn't visit the documentation.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

#122

Sadly, selling pre-made components and templates was never a sound business model, especially in the wake of AI. One thing I learned being on HN for so long and launching my own products is that a product is not a business . Don't conflate the two, at your peril. Lots of people make great products but actually turning that into a business is fundamentally a different skill. It seems like Tailwind grew too fast, havin…

Telerik, DevExpress, and a lot of other companies have made profitable businesses that have lasted well over a decade on that business premise. Selling solid and easy to integrate pre-made components has been a pretty good business for a while.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

#123
I love Tailwind, and I am really sorry Adam and co are going through this. They've built a great product, and it's brought joy back building again for me.

It's really hard to run a company, especially when your product is mostly OSS... Tailwind has helped thousands of companies save (or make) millions of dollars, and AI almost by default uses it to generate beautiful websites. This is such a hard position to be in... to watch your product take off, but your financials plummet. It really sucks how affected the team is after all the good work they've done.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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The paid products Adam mentions are the pre-made components and templates, right? It seems like the bigger issue isn't reduced traffic but just that AI largely eliminates the need for such things. While I understand that this has been difficult for him and his company... hasn't it been obvious that this would be a major issue for years? I do worry about what this means for the future of open source software. We've lo…

Maybe we need patreon equivalents for open source development?

I think we just need better platforms for enterprise procurement.

The issue is that currently you either publish as free & open-source and get tons of traction and usage but little funding, or you publish as paid and get no traction.

The blocker for paid software isn't actually the money itself (this is solvable by just pricing it reasonably), it's all the red tape that someone has to go through to get their company to purchase a license to begin with.

Maybe a marketplace that preemptively does audits, provides insurance, code escrow, licensing, etc ahead of time, that vendors can put their software on it proactively and companies can have accounts where their employees can just open an "app store" and just buy/license software directly? Similar to the AWS marketplace but for libraries.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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WTF? So your answer to "how should open source projects achieve financial sustainability" is "don't even try"?

When you start making your open source project worse for your users because you are not making enough out of it I'll choose to use something else.

There's a point where it's too much and it just feels like a trojan horse when later you stop caring for your free users.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

#126
While I'm a shameless freeloader with mostly backend skills - Adam has my utmost respect for out of the box innovation.

I did buy some of this books. Not the Tailwind UI though.

Adam, you gotta pay bills too. I understand that. And I respect that.

The day a product of mine starts making money, I'll come knocking your door.

Thank you.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI's going to be a whole lot less useful when it doesn't have any open source component libraries to crib from.

They already pay people to generate training data.

The funny part is how they think this will give them the power to take control of what is the defacto standard and circumvent standards.

It will instead further distinguish what is AI slop because it doesn't work and be siloed off to people who don't care about the code so can't fix it.

If people want good interoperable production ready code that can be deployed instantly and just works and meets all current standards and ongoing discussions, we've had it for many decades and it's called open source.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

#128
Today, I wanted to add tailwind to a new project and realized I had purchased it back in 2022. So I went to the website and realized it had moved to tailwind plus. That’s how distracted I’ve been. To my surprise my access worked and I could still download the full UI kit.

I know they promised lifetime, but I did not expect updates forever. This looks like the first issue to fix. I would have no issues paying 20% of purchase price for an updated version, that gave me access to 12 months of free updates.

Also, what about paid access to skills or MCP server for design systems and components?

I know these may be things he already considered, so don’t want to presume I have an answer. But as a customer, totally willing to support a good product that has supported me.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

#129
I'm happy to see this, not because I wish Adam failure. I am a Tailwind user myself and use it in all of my projects. Generally am a fan of Adam and respect his business.

The happy (in a bad way) part is seeing very successful projects like Tailwind get financially fucked by AI. It means it's not just me.

I am a small tech course creator who was able to make a living for 10 years but over the last 3 years it has tanked to where I make practically zero. Almost all due to less traffic hitting my blog which was the source of paid course purchases. I literally had to shift my entire life around after 25 years of being a successful contractor because of this.

I hope the world understands how impactful (both good and bad ways) having an unchecked AI scrape the world's content and funnel everything directly through their monetized platform while content creators get nothing in return is.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI's going to be a whole lot less useful when it doesn't have any open source component libraries to crib from.

They already pay people to generate training data.

These people won’t have to be experts like the tailwind team? Quality will be spontaneous?
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