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Post by rasz »

almosthere wrote: post #109

The typical consumer doesn't care about any checkbox feature. They just care if they can play the games they care about and word/email/netflix. That being said, netflix would be an impossible app without gfx acceleration APIs that are enabled by specific CPU and/or GPU instruction sets. The typical consumer doesn't care about those CPU/GPU instruction sets. At least they don't care to know about them. However they wo…

Even i3 cpu is perfectly fine software decoding 2160p H264, the only consequence is about 2x higher power draw compared to NVidia decoder.

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Post by bluGill »

yndoendo wrote: post #101
bluGill wrote: post #50

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I want magic that works. Sometimes I want a tool to interrupt me! I know my route to work so I'm not going to ask how I should get there today - but 1% of the time there is something wrong with my plan (accident, construction...) and I want the tool to say something. I know I need to turn right to get someplace, but sometimes as a human I'll say left instead: confusing me and the driver where they don't turn right, a…

Magic in real life never works 100% of the time. It is all an illusion were some observers understand the trick and others do not. Those that understand it have the potential to break the magic. Even the magician has the ability to fault the trick. I want reproducibility not magic.

It is magic that I can touch a swith on the wall and lights come on. It is magic that I have a warm house despite the outside temperature is near freezing. we have plenty of other magic that works. I want more

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Post by nerdjon »

lurking_swe wrote: post #113
yalogin wrote: post #68

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Right! Also I don’t think Siri is that important to the overall user experience on the ecosystem. Sure it’s one of the most visible use cases but how many people really care about that? I don’t want to talk out loud to do tasks usually, it’s helpful in some specific scenarios but not the primary use case. The text counterpart of understanding user context on the phone is more important even in the context of llms, an…

are you really asking why someone would like a much better siri? - truck drivers that are driving for hours. - commuters driving to work - ANYONE with a homepod at home that likes to do things hands free (cooking, dishes, etc). - ANYONE with airpods in their ears that is not in an awkward social setting (bicycle, walking alone on the sidewalk, on a trail, etc) every one of these interaction modes benefits from a smar…

I doubt that anyone is actually suggesting that Siri should not be better, but to me I think the issues with it are very much overblown when it does what I actually ask it to do the vast majority of the time since the reality is most of the time what I actually want to ask it to do are basic things.

I have a several homepods, and it does what I ask it to do. This includes being the hub of all of my home automation.

Yes there are areas it can improve but I think the important question is how much use would those things actually get vs making a cool announcement, a fun party trick, and then never used again.

We have also seen the failures that have been done by trying to treat LLM as a magic box that can just do things for you so while these things are "Technically" possible they are far from being reliable.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

wolvoleo wrote: post #118
giancarlostoro wrote: post #79

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TTS is absolutely horrible on iOS. I have nearly driven into a wall when trying to use it whilst driving and it goofs up what I've said terribly. For the love of all things holy, will someone at Apple finally fix text to speech? It feels like they last touched it in 2016. My phone can run offline LLMs and generate images but it can't understand my words.

It sounds like you mean STT not TTS there?

You're right, in my rage I typod, its really frustrating, even friends will text me and their text makes no sense, and 2 minutes later "STUPID VOICE TO TEXT" I have a few friends who drive trucks, so they need to be able to use their voice to communicate.

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Post by ericmcer »

wavemode wrote: post #44
ericmcer wrote: post #25

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People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

> Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed important but it would readily discard short or nonsensical input. That doesn't sound ideal at all. And in fact highlights what's wrong with AI product development nowadays. AI as a tool is wildly popular. Almost everyone in the world uses ChatGPT or knows someone who does. Here's the thing about tools - you use them in a predictable way and they give you a…

But... A lot of stuff you rely on now was probably once distracting and unpredictable. There are a ton of subtle UX behaviors a modern computer is doing that you don't notice, but if they all disappeared and you had to use windows 95 for a week you would miss.

That is more what I am advocating for, subtle background UX improvements based on an LLMs ability to interpret a users intent. We had limited abilities to look at an applications state and try to determine a users intent, but it is easier to do that with an LLM. Yeah like you point out some users don't want you to try and predict their intent, but if you can do it accurately a high percentage of the time it is "magic".

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Post by wolvoleo »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #124
wolvoleo wrote: post #118

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It sounds like you mean STT not TTS there?

You're right, in my rage I typod, its really frustrating, even friends will text me and their text makes no sense, and 2 minutes later "STUPID VOICE TO TEXT" I have a few friends who drive trucks, so they need to be able to use their voice to communicate.

I have to say that OpenAI's Whisper model is excellent. If you could leverage that somehow I think it would really improve. I run it locally myself on an old PC with 3060 card. This way I can run whisper large which is still speedy on a GPU especially with faster-whisper. Added bonus is the language autodetection which is great because I speak 3 languages regularly.

I think there's even better models now but Whisper still works fine for me. And there's a big ecosystem around it.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

nottorp wrote: post #83
afavour wrote: post #18

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I see using AI for coding as a little different. I'm producing something that is designed for a machine to consume and react to. Code is the means by which I express my aims to the machine. With AI there's an extra layer of machine that transforms my written aims into a language any machine can understand. I'm still ambivalent about it, I'm proud of my code. I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels a…

> I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels alien to me. It's okay, you'll just forget you were ever able to know your code :)

I've already forgotten most assembly languages I ever used. I look forward to forgetting C++.

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Post by ChoGGi »

wavemode wrote: post #76
wredcoll wrote: post #71

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> The hammer doesn't decide that the thing it's swinging at is vaguely thumb-shaped and self-destruct. Sawstop literally patented this and made millions and seems to have genuinely improved the world. I personally am a big fan of tools that make it hard to mangle my body parts.

sawstop is not AI

I mean, I wouldn't want sawstop to hallucinate my finger is a piece of wood.

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Post by ChoGGi »

fragmede wrote: post #92
slg wrote: post #42

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>For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed important but it would readily discard short or nonsensical input. That is really difficult to do in traditional software but is something an…

I've been totally AI-pilled because I don't see why that's of questionable utility. How is a regexp going to tell the difference between "asdffghjjk" and "So, she cheated on me". A mere byte count isn't going to do it either. If the computer can tell the difference and be less annoying, it seems useful to me?

What about counting words based on user's current lang, and prompting off that?

Close enough for the issue to me and can't be more expensive than asking an LLM?

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

wredcoll wrote: post #90
wavemode wrote: post #76

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sawstop is not AI

Sure, where's the line? If you want to tell me that llms are inherently non-deterministic, then sure, but from the point of view of a user, a saw stop activating because the wood is wet is really not expected either.

also from the point of view from a user: in this example, while frustrating/possibly costly, a false positive is infinitely preferable to a false negative.
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