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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by fersarr »

nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

How do people get more than 2tb of backup/cloud storage? it seems expensive to pay 20+ per month for this. 2tb+ should be very common these days?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by avh02 »

wiseowise wrote: post #72
stanmancan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.

“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.

ah yes, the polish that keeps begging you to give them your address for your "own safety"

the polish that can't even delete your entire spam folder half the time

the polish that asks you to verify you own your own email address via email if you want to add an alias to send an email from your own domain (e.g: if you have wildcard inbox and want to reply from one of the addresses you used)

the same polish that gives you no results if you search "one" and the email actually contains "oneword" - you know, search, the thing google is known for.

such amazing polish.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by 7moritz7 »

tormeh wrote: post #110

What's this person's phone OS? This seems somewhat overlooked here. To me, the mobile OS is the centerpiece of any ecosystem. That leaves only two options.

HarmonyOS Next (Huawei) is independent from Android. So that leaves three options, even if Harmony is mostly China focussed. They have tons of users there.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by wtcactus »

scrollaway wrote: post #87
wtcactus wrote: post #74

I find it funny that right at the start the author claims he wants "privacy and data sovereignty" and then he comes into the EU. Now, Proton is based in Switzerland (thank god for some sane countries in Europe that still remain), but EU is not friend to your "privacy and data sovereignty". Countries in EU are going after you (and demanding that external platforms disclosure your anonymous identity so that they can pu…

I started watching YouTuber Evan Edinger recently and it’s been a breath of fresh air because he’s been saying things I understood to be true a long time ago, but never quite verified until now. One of those being about American exceptionalism and how Americans will only ever make judgement about other countries (including the EU) from the highly deformed perspective of their local news. And they’ll do this, knowingl…

I’m European, you self righteous authoritarian lover.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostmsu »

nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

Does this include Gemini CLI the terminal vibe coding?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by c16 »

bradley13 wrote: post #60

I hear good things about Proton, but you are still sticking yourself into an ecosystem. For documents, if you are even slightly techie, hosting your own OwnCloud/NextCloud is pretty easy. It just works. Both also offer a central calendar function, if that is important. For email, buy your own domain, and host it with a local provider. All the other things he mentions (to-do lists, password manager, etc.) just pick yo…

I tired NextCloud the other day on a 2GB DigitalOcean VPS. It ground to a halt pretty quickly. My plan was to try run it on a Pi, but I gave up on that idea.

It seems document editing is quite an intensive task.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by miki123211 »

whazor wrote: post #94
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer.

It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by ranguna »

63282836292919 wrote: post #79
bigiain wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. That's a big deal to some of us. Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.

> They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy I see, the EU propaganda shows effect. Of course a proponent of the non-elected regime doesn't mind the illegal "chat control" and censorship of any wrongthink facilitated by the Digital Services Act.

Care to elaborate how chat control came into effect?

Last time I checked, it was always rejected, no matter how they reforrmed it. The EU is not one voice, it will always have different opinions. What matters is what's actually voted into law, chat control tried multiple times and it never was.

Also, would you be so kind as to share those wrongthinking related with DSA?

So we an focus on improving things and not bashing on them.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by crapple8430 »

allan_s wrote: post #108
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server. By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are…

Firefox sync clearly requires a central server. For any kind of peer to peer syncing to work you must have the machines on at the same time and accessible. And then there is the issue of NATs, including CGNATs. To work reliably these almost always have to have some kind of relays anyway (Tailscale's DERP, Syncthing also has relays).

For the experience an average consumer expects, you at a minimum need a central short-lived cache.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by ranguna »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #69
utopiah wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.

> It's definitely not equivalent. We agree, but not for the reasons you think we do. Chatcontrol is literally 1984. It's mandated at the provider level. You can't opt out. You can always chose not to participate in the social media, sharing whatever you do. You can't not participate in chat control. Same same, but different.

You can't opt out because there's nothing to opt out from, chat control is not law, it failed to be approved every single time people tried to bring it up, sometimes it even failed before being voted on (like this last time)
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