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Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by RickJWagner »

thrance wrote: post #120
RickJWagner wrote: post #116

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The fish I’m talking about include hungry homeless people, poor people that need clothing, and young people dealing with unexpected pregnancies. There are ministries for all of those here, staffed and funded by churchgoers. Maybe think about it, see if there are some fish you could pick up.

Surely by now you must have noticed that the Right is completely uninterested in solving these things? Cutting social nets and criminalizing abortions will only aggravate these important issues. Also, I don't see why caring about the homeless prevents also fighting rampant gambling addictions?

The homeless meals and clothes closets have been in place for years. Through administrations and legislatures of all kinds. Nobody ‘solves the problem’, unfortunately.

There are limited resources. That’s why you see churches feeding the hungry and clothing the needy, but probably not fighting gambling so much. People are only able or willing to give so much.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by RickJWagner »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #117
RickJWagner wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fish I’m talking about include hungry homeless people, poor people that need clothing, and young people dealing with unexpected pregnancies. There are ministries for all of those here, staffed and funded by churchgoers. Maybe think about it, see if there are some fish you could pick up.

These are not fish specific to religious people. Helping in these areas is what makes us human. If you need to invoque a deity to explain the action, good for you. The most important part is that help is provided. Now, unexpected pregnancies is not the strong part of Christianity. When you start to promote teaching about sex and birth control we can talk.

You’re right, those fish are not specific to religious people. But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong.

About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like the ‘day after’ pill. Of course the preferred option is always ensuring good parenting for the newborn child. Clients can take video classes on parenting skills to earn reward points good for diapers, baby food and clothing. It’s really a good program, provided free to the people who need it.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by thrance »

RickJWagner wrote: post #121
thrance wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely by now you must have noticed that the Right is completely uninterested in solving these things? Cutting social nets and criminalizing abortions will only aggravate these important issues. Also, I don't see why caring about the homeless prevents also fighting rampant gambling addictions?

The homeless meals and clothes closets have been in place for years. Through administrations and legislatures of all kinds. Nobody ‘solves the problem’, unfortunately. There are limited resources. That’s why you see churches feeding the hungry and clothing the needy, but probably not fighting gambling so much. People are only able or willing to give so much.

I understand, but I doubt that OP meant "individual churches" when speaking of the "Christian Right". More likely, he meant the evangelical movement currently controlling all branches of government, and the people that give it sufficient mandate to tear through the social nets actually able to releviate these issues.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by sfn42 »

int32_64 wrote: post #74
integralid wrote: post #58

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Gambling addiction is a pretty certain way to become poor though.

The new age gambler logic would be if you know you can't afford a house through saving, the goal will always be out of reach, so you are already poor and will always be, so you might as well gamble. It's the age of "financial nihilism".

It's total BS though. If you have enough money to waste any significant amount on gambling, then you also have enough to save that same significant amount.

I don't think it's necessarily the worst thing if you waste like $10 a month playing the lottery, that's not why you can't afford a home. But if you're spending like $100+ a month gambling that is absolutely a big part of why you can't afford a home. Sure maybe you'll never afford a home in New York. Live elsewhere then. There does exist more modest housing. If you're working in a city earning too little to live there then you're doing the wrong thing. Move out of the city. Yes it is that simple, and no I don't give a shit if that's where you want to live. If you can't afford it you can't afford it. Gambling won't help.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by [deleted] »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #117
RickJWagner wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fish I’m talking about include hungry homeless people, poor people that need clothing, and young people dealing with unexpected pregnancies. There are ministries for all of those here, staffed and funded by churchgoers. Maybe think about it, see if there are some fish you could pick up.

These are not fish specific to religious people. Helping in these areas is what makes us human. If you need to invoque a deity to explain the action, good for you. The most important part is that help is provided. Now, unexpected pregnancies is not the strong part of Christianity. When you start to promote teaching about sex and birth control we can talk.

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Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

RickJWagner wrote: post #122
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not fish specific to religious people. Helping in these areas is what makes us human. If you need to invoque a deity to explain the action, good for you. The most important part is that help is provided. Now, unexpected pregnancies is not the strong part of Christianity. When you start to promote teaching about sex and birth control we can talk.

You’re right, those fish are not specific to religious people. But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like th…

> But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. You may want to look at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38407059/, a large mets-data study. Religious people give more when this is public, and vice-versa. I offer no judgment on that either :)

> About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like the ‘day after’ pill. Of course the preferred option is always ensuring good parenting for the newborn child. Clients can take video classes on parenting skills to earn reward points good for diapers, baby food and clothing. It’s really a good program, provided free to the people who need it.

I volounteered for a long time at an organization that provided the same services. We provided information about abortion, pills, medical facts. Everything was on the table, from an abortion to raising your child.

Do your pamphlets address abortion as one of the solutions, making it at par with giving birth? I unfortunately know about "help centers" for pregnant women who were in fact driving them away from some solutions (mostly abortion). They were fortunately made illegal in France because everyone should have a neutral, unbiased access to information and help (including abortion).

For reference, Total Fertility Rate in France is 1.66 vs 1.60 in the US.

Teen pregnancy is four times lower in France - because we do serious sex ed and people have sex knowing what to expect.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by RickJWagner »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #126
RickJWagner wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right, those fish are not specific to religious people. But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like th…

> But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. You may want to look at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38407059/ , a large mets-data study. Religious people give more when this is public, and vice-versa. I offer no judgment on that either :) > About the s…

Thank you for the study that confirms the assertion that confirms “ Religiosity predicts prosociality”. We are in agreement.

What made you stop volunteering at the clinic?

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

RickJWagner wrote: post #127
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. You may want to look at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38407059/ , a large mets-data study. Religious people give more when this is public, and vice-versa. I offer no judgment on that either :) > About the s…

Thank you for the study that confirms the assertion that confirms “ Religiosity predicts prosociality”. We are in agreement. What made you stop volunteering at the clinic?

> Religiosity predicts prosociality

... when in public view. Vanity and all this. Non-religious people are happy to keep their generosity to themselves.

> What made you stop volunteering at the clinic?

I started to travel the world. This was also a time where I experienced first hand how religion impacts people. So far in France we were shielded from that.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by RickJWagner »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #128
RickJWagner wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the study that confirms the assertion that confirms “ Religiosity predicts prosociality”. We are in agreement. What made you stop volunteering at the clinic?

> Religiosity predicts prosociality ... when in public view . Vanity and all this. Non-religious people are happy to keep their generosity to themselves. > What made you stop volunteering at the clinic? I started to travel the world. This was also a time where I experienced first hand how religion impacts people. So far in France we were shielded from that.

The point remains that religious people give more time and money to charitable causes than non-religious people. The motivators may be sinful (vanity, etc), but the good works are what should matter. Better to have hypocrites feeding the hungry than no food at all.

I’m glad to hear you’re getting to see the world. I hope your journeys are enjoyable.

Re: The battle to stop clever people betting

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

RickJWagner wrote: post #129
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religiosity predicts prosociality ... when in public view . Vanity and all this. Non-religious people are happy to keep their generosity to themselves. > What made you stop volunteering at the clinic? I started to travel the world. This was also a time where I experienced first hand how religion impacts people. So far in France we were shielded from that.

The point remains that religious people give more time and money to charitable causes than non-religious people. The motivators may be sinful (vanity, etc), but the good works are what should matter. Better to have hypocrites feeding the hungry than no food at all. I’m glad to hear you’re getting to see the world. I hope your journeys are enjoyable.

> The point remains that religious people give more time and money to charitable causes than non-religious people

No, the point is that they mostly do this publicly. The others do the same, but without the need for an audience to witness their gesture.

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