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Anyone got any news on his recovery? I was glad to see a new post on his blog this month.
Holy hell, I had missed that post
that post made me worry more tbh :(
Fahrplan – 39C3
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#122I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…
I get your arguments. In my opinion the core of the problem is that a lot of the "political" taks are about political topics that are outside the core of the kind of politics (?) that are related to hacking. These talks are what people are complaining about as "too much politics".
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#123From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.
CCC was always political (very left to far left). Never understood why hacking has to be political in the first place.
well, it has a lot to do with people growing up during cold war and german reunification.
There were many stories where people lost faith in politics (e.g. after Chernobyl), so people gathered together to do stuff on their own. I think being "social" (to all people), decentralized and mistrusting authorities is just a left thing. so that's just a natural thing imho
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone got any news on his recovery? I was glad to see a new post on his blog this month.
Holy hell, I had missed that post
> Holy hell, I had missed that post
Here it is:
> http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=97cd29cd
> http://blog.fefe.de/?mon=202512
(note that https currently does not work).
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#125I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…
It seems that no modern comment section is complete without the complaint "too much politics", then followed by "but everything is political". Some talks do not even try to draw a line from politics to computers, and I think that is what people feel unhappy about.
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#126I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…
For many hackers, it is just a game, a technical puzzle. The interesting part is overcoming the obstacles, the information or bounty money they get in the end is just the reward, its nature doesn't matter much. Even when there is no reward, people do it because it is fun.
Like with lockpicking, many pickers work with the cylinder in a vise, and the lock is just a mechanical puzzle. That the lock can be attached to something one would want to secure is just a distant thought.
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
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Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers
How is it computer adjacent, keep in mind, it's a talk about how the media communicates things... Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There are also other unrelated things which do not have a lot to do with computers, like "all creatures welcome".
> Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that
There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't.
So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder to find a reason why a talk about migration has relevance for a hacking conference.
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#128I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…
I get your arguments. In my opinion the core of the problem is that a lot of the "political" taks are about political topics that are outside the core of the kind of politics (?) that are related to hacking. These talks are what people are complaining about as "too much politics".
That's fine but technology doesn't exist in a vacuum, you can't talk about (for example) facial recognition technology without mentioning the social groups it affects the most or is used against. Same for plenty of others topics directly or indirectly related to hacking and computers.
If you look at the history of the CCC, they also don't see a line between technical freedom and social freedom, because you can't have a free internet in an unfree society.
The 'outside' topics you mention are often just the hackers' way of applying their methodology to the world beyond the screen. Society is a larger system with its own bugs and exploits that inevitably affect the computers you use and the code that run them, and hackers like to apply their methodology to analyze that to understand the consequences.
Moreover, if you actually want meritocracy, you have to address the social barriers that keep people out of the room, and you can't do that without addressing the outside world.
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#129I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…
Maybe it's that people disagree with the politics, but also don't see a room for discussion.
Re: Fahrplan – 39C3
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is it computer adjacent, keep in mind, it's a talk about how the media communicates things... Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There are also other unrelated things which do not have a lot to do with computers, like "all creatures welcome".
> Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't. So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder…
The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting