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Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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"O’Leary accused the travel agent industry of scamming and ripping off unsuspecting consumers by charging extra fees and markups on ticket prices." That is ... pretty rich. A couple of years ago I was going to go see my brother in the UK who lived near Stansted. As such Ryanair would have been the most convenient airline. The shere number of dark patterns I encountered trying to book the ticket was such that when I g…

Ryanair used to do some things that were quite remarkably devious - the option to not by travel insurance was in the middle of drop-down list of countries! To make sure I had remembered that correctly I looked it up and here is a description of it: https://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/ryanair-to-change-hidden-tr... NB I've travelled with Ryanair quite a lot and actually don't mind the actual flights but it is wise to man…

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Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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It is of course ironic since we're talking about Ryanair here but I'm genuinely curious as to why it's abusive to determine that your product/service must be sold via your platform? Legitimately welcoming discussion here as I'm keen to hear the other side.

Yeah, generally speaking the last thing I want to do is to defend RyanAir but I don't see how what they're doing here is wrong. I see no way in which this is abusing a "dominant" market position. If you only want to sell tickets via your own site, what on earth could be wrong with that?

Indeed.

Ryanair wins ‘screenscraping’ case against Lastminute in France

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2022/05/25/ryanair-wins-...

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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post #4

"O’Leary accused the travel agent industry of scamming and ripping off unsuspecting consumers by charging extra fees and markups on ticket prices." That is ... pretty rich. A couple of years ago I was going to go see my brother in the UK who lived near Stansted. As such Ryanair would have been the most convenient airline. The shere number of dark patterns I encountered trying to book the ticket was such that when I g…

> they tried to coax me into using my local currency instead of GBP and hid a £20 spread I’m finding this more and more. Uber does it, and even Walgreens does it when I’m in the US and tap my card it suggests that I pay in my home currency. This seems to be a new vector companies have found for ripping off their customers.

I see the opposite quote a lot.

Advertised “No Fee” currency conversions, but a HUGE spread built into the conversion rate that comes out to a massive fee.

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is not about liking your opinion. It's about use of AI to produce an opinion.

I might be behind on modern tech, but what exactly gives me away as AI? I’m genuinely curious.

Don't tell it.

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

#125
post #5

This is an odd story. Ryanair doesn't pay commission, so these resellers make money by charging extra fees to unsuspecting customers. I don't know why Ryanair wants to stamp out this practice (which doesn't cost them anything and brings extra sales), but I don't see why they should be prevented from stamping it out.

If you had ever purchased a RyanAir ticket you would understand. You get up charged for everything and have to deselect all the up charges at multiple screens. It is their operating model to sell basically free seats, and profit on upsells. Third parties eliminate a large portion of their upsell pipeline. Ryanair is cheap, they charge extra for everything. But the tradeoff is you get where you are going for cheap if…

> You get up charged for everything

No you don't. You can:

> deselect all the up charges

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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ATMs all over are like this. Very annoying. I have to decline conversation all the time. The ATM conversation rate is usually 15-25% markup. No thanks, my bank charges nothing, just passes on the Visa 1% fee for fx.

*conversion Although it is amusing to imagine an ATM that accosts you verbally with smalltalk when you use it.

Coming soon , LLM to an ATM near you

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

#127
post #57

I have found myself to be the only person in many conversations defending Ryanair. People complain about legroom, everything being a paid add-ons, you name it. The key is to treat it like a bus that takes you from A to B, sometimes cheaper than a bus, not some sort of luxury experience. The times when flying was luxury is over. And I benefitted from it greatly as a student, so have many shown by Ryanair's passenger n…

Ryanair weren't just a bystander in this race to the bottom, they were primary drivers of creating it, along with Easyjet, undercutting competition and forcing everyone else to become a low cost carrier. They're a total success commercially you can't deny it, but my god what a horrible experience for everyone involved, passengers and staff alike

You can just pay more to have the old experience. Economy plus is what you used to get 20 years ago, and business is way more affordable than it used to be.

I’d rather have a cheap flight and spend my money at my destination though.

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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That's non-compliant with GDPR. When shown to EU readers, they cannot block access based on accepting a privacy policy. Only essential cookies that really are needed for it to function are required.

Facebook also does this. But the EU posted a press release last year that they are investigating this, as it could breach the DMA. [1] The Guardian doesn't fall under the DMA though. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_...

This was 1.5 years ago; at this point they are functionally allowing it.

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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> they tried to coax me into using my local currency instead of GBP and hid a £20 spread I’m finding this more and more. Uber does it, and even Walgreens does it when I’m in the US and tap my card it suggests that I pay in my home currency. This seems to be a new vector companies have found for ripping off their customers.

Years ago when paying with PayPal, there were 2 choices - for them to convert currencies or to rely on my bank to convert them. There was a warning that if I chose the second option, it could cost a lot. Turns out, with my bank the conversion was good and with PayPal's conversion I'd lose like 10%. Stuff like that is what I say "years ago" - I haven't used PayPal for a while now, and I won't use it again.

This disappeared a few months ago for me, unfortunately.

Re: Ryanair fined €256M over ‘abusive strategy’ to limit ticket sales by OTAs

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post #57

I have found myself to be the only person in many conversations defending Ryanair. People complain about legroom, everything being a paid add-ons, you name it. The key is to treat it like a bus that takes you from A to B, sometimes cheaper than a bus, not some sort of luxury experience. The times when flying was luxury is over. And I benefitted from it greatly as a student, so have many shown by Ryanair's passenger n…

> And I am also always confused about the non-transparency that people mention about their fees. When you do the checkout, you select the services you want and pay for those.

The lack of transparency is that it's hard to price compare. Your will almost never pay the ticker price at Ryanair, but at others you might.

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