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Weight loss jabs: What happens when you stop taking them

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Question for people who have trouble losing fat (this was never my problem): have you ever tried instead of dieting to just force yourself to eat more fruits, vegetables, and protein daily while also allowing yourself free range in the remaining appetite room to have whatever? The human mind/brain/whatever doesn't do well with deprivation of a high dopamine reward, but what would happen if you started to shift your t…

One of my friends ate two pounds of tomatoes every evening and would not feel full. I couldn’t believe it until I saw it with my eyes….

I feel like they should try the potato diet. I recommend it, not because I believe it is effective (it wasn't for me), but because it is very good at removing the pleasure from eating. When you are eating to survive, you will come to understand how what being sated is. From there, I found I could lose weight because I had broken the habit of eating for any other reason than to fuel myself. Although, admittedly, I enjoyed losing weight this way better than the potato diet.

With some people, I think they have just lost what being sated feels like.

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since I also share the ability to cold turkey on most anything, what you can completly stop eating is processed food, or anything that requires an advanced chemical engineering degree to decipher, ditch most of the carbs, ALL of the sugar. Meat, veggies,fruit,grains,nuts,the most complex packaged foods I buy are yogurt, and bread from an outfit that contracts farmers to grow wheat, pickles, stuff from wierd and wonde…

I really, really, really like mayonnaise though

then, get some real farm fresh eggs, and an incubator or whatever, close the old not working chapter,and if you are feeling nostalgic, you can pause for a moment to warm your hands on your burning bridges. we live in a vast sea of excess everything but thinking about it, realy quitting sugar will have profound effects on your sense of taste, and things formerly acceptable can become quite disgusting, and others that were marginaly edible become wonders of taste and delecacy. It is shocking how fantastic varios fruits and vegatables can taste, beyond taste!, when eaten in the field, but only if white crystaline substances are eliminated and purged from your diet. keep in mind, that white crystaline substances, are absolute.There is NO further concentration or enhancement possible,and nature has never saw fit to create such things organicaly, and almost every other white crystaline thing is totaly inert or highly regulated and/or illegal to possess.

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As someone with asthma, let me tell you that they _do_ need to get into better shape to breathe better. Part of that is a medically proven practice called pulmonary rehabilitation, but also, regular cardiovascular exercise at different intensities and direct training of the abdominal muscles has a marked improvement both on pulmonary function (to a limit, but even more important as you age) and oxygen utilization fro…

Thank you for sharing this and elaborating on what I've seen firsthand. Another thing we've noticed is that an increase in VO 2 Max, which does take quite a bit of time to change, makes a major difference. Altitude is another factor, due to dry and colder air and lower oxygen -- a double whammy for asthma.

People also are often unaware that the symptoms of asthma which cause the most concern (dyspnea, tightness, etc.) are less hypoxia and more hypercapnia. Hypoxia in normal people does not feel like breathlessness: it's lightheadedness, low energy, turning blue, etc. Asthma is almost definitionally airway hyper-responsiveness (and relevant structural changes): any fitness intervention that can help improve CO2 expulsion will probably greatly help an asthmatic seek relief. This is also why in acute attacks, pursed lip exhalations can really help.

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You can't make this point here without getting down voted to oblivion. I know many ultra endurance runners and they are all in very good - healthy - shape. The only thing they all have in common is that they are very, very disciplined people.

> I know many ultra endurance runners and they are all in very good - healthy - shape. The only thing they all have in common is that they are very, very disciplined people. Right, but are you not seeing that this is orthogonal? Meaning, is it that running MAKES YOU disciplined, or rather that people who are already predisposed to being disciplined are more likely to be runners? This says nothing about the genetic co…

Ultimately the decision to put food or alcohol in your mouth is yours. I am tired of hearing of external factors, let's bring it back to the individual.

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> I know many ultra endurance runners and they are all in very good - healthy - shape. The only thing they all have in common is that they are very, very disciplined people. Right, but are you not seeing that this is orthogonal? Meaning, is it that running MAKES YOU disciplined, or rather that people who are already predisposed to being disciplined are more likely to be runners? This says nothing about the genetic co…

Ultimately the decision to put food or alcohol in your mouth is yours. I am tired of hearing of external factors, let's bring it back to the individual.

This view is held by many because it's incredibly simplistic and naive, while simultaneously allowing people to gain moral leverage. Meaning, if everything is in our control, then if we do good, we must be very good.

But it's just obviously not true. From the beginning, it is clear life is unfair. Children die from cancer. Are they losers? Should they have ate more veggies?

When everything happens for a reason, that has some unsavory side effects. This is all philosophical, but also real.

We are an amalgamation of what is in our control, and what is not. I could sit here and pat myself on the back for being skinny and attractive. Really, I could. But does that not seem, maybe, a bit pathetic?

I did have something to do with it, but it was not all me. I shouldn't take all the credit, and frankly I don't need it. Maybe some people do need it, in which case they should do other things to be proud of. There's no pride in being proud of something you did not achieve.

I think, for both you and me and for most things in life, the reality is that most things were given to us. Yes, we have achieved - off the shoulders of giants. Whether that be genetics, time, place, family.

From there, we have a few options on how to view the world:

- conclude that, since we've achieved nothing on our own, we must be losers, and kill ourselves.

- denounce the notion, and live in the delusion that we did do it all on our own. Essentially, lie at a fundamental level to boost our ego. Is there a lower low a person can sink to?

- embrace humility, and acknowledge that we are blessed and favored. Acknowledge that we do not know it all, and that our success is based off of practically infinite random things going right in our favor.

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