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Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by irishcoffee »

mmooss wrote: post #104
nospice wrote: post #67

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> This is how many artists have worked. They make something for themself, and one day they show it to someone else That model depended on personal wealth or (more often) patronage. Because the supply of wealthy patrons was limited, it meant that you had fewer artists pursuing their visions. Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. Now, we democratized access to patronage, but it means that to support yourself, you n…

There are plenty of impovrished, struggling artists - it's a cliche - and especially unknown ones creating for themselves. > Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. That doesn't mean you can't create art. Anthony Trollope worked for the post office. Einstein, who externalized imagination in somewhat different way and attributed much to art, was a patent clerk. New York and LA are filled with waitstaff-artists. A fr…

I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art?

Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top.

You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by mbg721 »

irishcoffee wrote: post #121
mmooss wrote: post #104

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There are plenty of impovrished, struggling artists - it's a cliche - and especially unknown ones creating for themselves. > Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. That doesn't mean you can't create art. Anthony Trollope worked for the post office. Einstein, who externalized imagination in somewhat different way and attributed much to art, was a patent clerk. New York and LA are filled with waitstaff-artists. A fr…

I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art? Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top. You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

You do sometimes hear of Olympians in the non-big-pro-league sports whose families make enormous financial and lifestyle sacrifices to let them train and compete.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

ozim wrote: post #30

Yeah I make software that makes people feel something - rage - there are 2 types of software one that no one cares about and software that people use and voice their opinions about :)

DRM software :)

Bonus if its like Sony BMG copy protection rootkit [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by nicbou »

frutiger wrote: post #99
nospice wrote: post #82

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Right, which works great if your daytime job is being a professor at Oxford, but maybe less so if your only opportunity is farm labor or other physically exhausting job. Today, more people have the opportunity to dabble in art than ever before.

He started writing his stories long before he was a Professor. It was while he was a young man fighting in the First World War.

Right, which works great if your daytime job is fighting in the trenches, but maybe less so if your only opportunity is software development or other mentally exhausting job.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by corysama »

irishcoffee wrote: post #121
mmooss wrote: post #104

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There are plenty of impovrished, struggling artists - it's a cliche - and especially unknown ones creating for themselves. > Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. That doesn't mean you can't create art. Anthony Trollope worked for the post office. Einstein, who externalized imagination in somewhat different way and attributed much to art, was a patent clerk. New York and LA are filled with waitstaff-artists. A fr…

I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art? Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top. You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

There are definitely athletes who spend their entire prime years working in the minor leagues trying to get their big shot in the majors and never quite getting there.

It’s a life of constant travel, crazy hours and very little money.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by mmooss »

irishcoffee wrote: post #121
mmooss wrote: post #104

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There are plenty of impovrished, struggling artists - it's a cliche - and especially unknown ones creating for themselves. > Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. That doesn't mean you can't create art. Anthony Trollope worked for the post office. Einstein, who externalized imagination in somewhat different way and attributed much to art, was a patent clerk. New York and LA are filled with waitstaff-artists. A fr…

I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art? Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top. You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

Those are big assumptions ...

> Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career.

Says who? Are you an artist? Many artists say - and I'm know nothing to doubt them - that they can give up art like you can give up food.

> Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top.

No idea where you get that about art. Many complain that a lot of shlock rises to the 'top'. And how do we know about the cream that didn't rise? Many artists aren't discovered until they're old or dead - Van Gogh being the over-repeated example. But even Van Gogh!

It's easier in sports - you can win on the field; there's frequent, objective evidence. But that applies to clearly superior elite, who have access to training. With access Messi would probably be on top regardless, but the number of Messis is a statistical error. People who are professional-level but lower down the pyramid, whose names you don't recognize but who make up the overwhelming majority of athletes, often say it depends mostly on relationships. There are plenty of people like them, and if they get a job depends on their relationships with coaches, agents, etc. You hear about athletes that seem perfectly capable, some even good or very good, but getting no calls.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by mmooss »

mbg721 wrote: post #122
irishcoffee wrote: post #121

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I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art? Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top. You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

You do sometimes hear of Olympians in the non-big-pro-league sports whose families make enormous financial and lifestyle sacrifices to let them train and compete.

That was true for all Olympians before they allowed professionals to compete.

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Post by mmooss »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #119
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #92

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> or passed away A certain one-eared Dutchman comes to mind...

I have to assume that someone has no idea what I was talking about, and thought that I was making some kind of ethnic slur. Sheesh. What do they teach, these days? Do people think Moby Dick is some kind of STD? For elucidation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_van_Gogh He died a pauper, but his work is some of the most valuable in history.

No complaining about downvotes! lol

Yes, sometimes I can't even guess why. Drunk and missed the target? Those little arrows are poor GUI.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by squigz »

irishcoffee wrote: post #121
mmooss wrote: post #104

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There are plenty of impovrished, struggling artists - it's a cliche - and especially unknown ones creating for themselves. > Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. That doesn't mean you can't create art. Anthony Trollope worked for the post office. Einstein, who externalized imagination in somewhat different way and attributed much to art, was a patent clerk. New York and LA are filled with waitstaff-artists. A fr…

I sincerely never understood the “starving artist” thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves. The whole starving artist thing always came across (to me) as someone who refused to work because… art? Art, like anything else, lines up somewhere between a hobby and a career. Similar to athletes, somehow the cream just rises to the top. You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

> You never hear about “starving athletes” I guess is what I mean.

I mean, just because this isn't a trope doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you know anything about trying to get into pro sports of literally any type, you'll know that it's a lot of sacrifice for a long time. Most athletes who aren't literally the best in the world aren't paid a huge amount, and have to travel a lot to attend events to make that money.

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