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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by jacquesm »

thuttinger wrote: post #66

Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by jacquesm »

Aurornis wrote: post #38
sigseg1v wrote: post #19

Curious if you've tested something such as: - "First, calculate the orbital radius. To do this accurately, measure the average diameter of each planet, p, and the average distance from the center of the image to the outer edge of the planets, x, and calculate the orbital radius r = x - p" - "Next, write a unit test script that we will run that reads the rendered page and confirms that each planet is on the orbital ra…

This is my experience with using LLMs for complex tasks: If you're lucky they'll figure it out from a simple description, but to get most things done the way you expect requires a lot of explicit direction, test creation, iteration, and tokens. One of the keys to being productive with LLMs is learning how to recognize when it's going to take much more effort to babysit the LLM into getting the right result as opposed…

It would not be the first time that an IT services provider makes more money the worse their products perform.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by Mtinie »

jacquesm wrote: post #121
thuttinger wrote: post #66

Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

> If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

I don’t think it’s fair to call someone who used Stack Overflow to find a similar answer with samples of code to copy to their project an asshole.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jacquesm wrote: post #121
thuttinger wrote: post #66

Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

You mean like copying and pasting code from Stack Overflow?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by jacquesm »

smallnix wrote: post #18
999900000999 wrote: post #9

Space Jam website design as an LLM benchmark. This article is a bit negative. Claude gets close , it just can't get the order right which is something OP can manually fix. I prefer GitHub Copilot because it's cheaper and integrates with GitHub directly. I'll have times where it'll get it right, and times when I have to try 3 or 4 times.

That's not the point of the article. It's about Claude/LLM being overconfident in recreating pixel perfect.

All AI's are overconfident. It's impressive what they can do, but it is at the same time extremely unimpressive what they can't do while passing it off as the best thing since sliced bread. 'Perfect! Now I see the problem.'. 'Thank you for correcting that, here is a perfect recreation of problem 'x' that will work with your hardware.' (never mind the 10 glaring mistakes).

I've tried these tools a number of times and spent a good bit of effort on learning to maximize the return. By the time you know what prompt to write you've solved the problem yourself.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by jacquesm »

Mtinie wrote: post #124
jacquesm wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

> If a human did this we probably would have a word for them. I don’t think it’s fair to call someone who used Stack Overflow to find a similar answer with samples of code to copy to their project an asshole.

Who brought Stack Overflow up? Stack Overflow does not magically generate code, someone has to actually provide it first.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by sublinear »

Mtinie wrote: post #124
jacquesm wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

> If a human did this we probably would have a word for them. I don’t think it’s fair to call someone who used Stack Overflow to find a similar answer with samples of code to copy to their project an asshole.

Using stack overflow recklessly is definitely asshole behavior.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Post by idiotsecant »

jacquesm wrote: post #121
thuttinger wrote: post #66

Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

Yes, the word for that is software developer.
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