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Cloudflare Down Again – and DownDetector Is Also Down

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Re: Cloudflare Down Again – and DownDetector Is Also Down

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Post by akKsbba »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #78
akKsbba wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re a global company that offshores with location based pay and utilizes H1Bs. I think that’s the first thing to look at. You get what you pay for. Stop trying to devalue labor. Not much sympathy when you’re obviously cutting corners.

Just because someone is on an H1B visa doesn't mean they know less. It's a bit rich to blame this on foreign workers even though nothing is known about who or what caused this outage.

I’m blaming it on paying workers less. H1B, location based pay, offshoring, etc. are all ways to pay workers less.

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Post by skywhopper »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #69
JoeWiltshire wrote: post #11

https://downdetectorsdowndetectorsdowndetectorsdowndetector.... reports that https://downdetectorsdowndetectorsdowndetector.com/ is down, guessing downdetectorsdowndetectorsdowndetector runs via cloudflare!

I don't understand, why don't they just make the whole internet out of down detectors?

Every network card is a down detector.

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Post by ptidhomme »

bflesch wrote: post #110
smallerize wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And just live with high latency?

What is "high latency" nowadays? If people wouldn't bundle 30mb into every html page it wouldn't be needed. Also cloudflare is needed due to DDOS and abuse from rogue actors, which are mostly located in specific areas. Residential IP ranges in democratic countries are not causing the issues.

Aren't botnet targeting cheap and unsecured consumer devices specifically in the residential IP ranges ?

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Post by bo1024 »

peanut-walrus wrote: post #79
huijzer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence why I wrote a post on 18th of Nov (previous Cloudflare outage): https://huijzer.xyz/posts/123/do-not-put-your-site-behind-cl... . That blog post made it to the front page of HN and my site did not go down. Nor did any DDoS network take the site out even though I also challenged them last time by commenting that I would be okay with a DDoS. I would figure out a way around it. In general, marketing often works vi…

Cloudflare is widely used because it's the easiest way to run a website for free or expose local services to internet. I think for most cloudflare users, the ddos protection is not the main reason they're using it.

Cloudflare hosts websites for free?

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Post by skywhopper »

winternewt wrote: post #88
noosphr wrote: post #75

I know I shouldn't, but I really can't help myself: https://blog.cloudflare.com/20-percent-internet-upgrade/

What are you implying by linking to that article?

Cloudflare was crowing that their services were better because “We write a lot of Rust, and we’ve gotten pretty good at it.”

The last outage was in fact partially due to a Rust panic because of some sloppy code.

Yes, these complex systems are way more complex than just which language they use. But Cloudflare is the one who made the oversimplified claim that using Rust would necessarily make their systems better. It’s not so simple.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

RamRodification wrote: post #98
winternewt wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you implying by linking to that article?

I'm not the person you are replying to, but like all of technology, you just find the latest (or most public) change made, and then fire your blame-cannon at it. Excel crashed? Must be that new WiFi they installed!

"Ever since you replaced my wiper blades the clutch has been slipping"

Re: Cloudflare Down Again – and DownDetector Is Also Down

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Post by noosphr »

jsheard wrote: post #107
noosphr wrote: post #75

I know I shouldn't, but I really can't help myself: https://blog.cloudflare.com/20-percent-internet-upgrade/

It could always be worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed They haven't had an incident that bad since they switched from C to Rust.

Yes, it's been a great two months.
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