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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by ncruces »

TheDong wrote: post #77
CamouflagedKiwi wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main thing I like about Github's PRs is that it's a system I'm already familiar with and have a login/account for. It's tedious going to contribute to a project to find I have to sign up for and learn another system. I've used Gerrit years ago, so wasn't totally unfamiliar, but it was still awkward to use when Go were using it for PRs. Notably that project ended up giving up on it because of the friction for user…

> Notably [go] ended up giving up on [gerrit] That's not accurate. They more or less only use Gerrit still. They started accepting Github PRs, but not really, see https://go.dev/doc/contribute#sending_a_change_github > You will need a Gerrit account to respond to your reviewers, including to mark feedback as 'Done' if implemented as suggested The comments are still gerrit, you really shouldn't use Github. The Go revi…

> The Go reviewers are also more likely than usual to assume you're incompetent if your PR comes from Github

I've always done it that way, and never got that feeling.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by lkramer »

p2detar wrote: post #34
themgt wrote: post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

There have been complaints about it on Reddit as well. I registered an account recently and to me the annoying thing is the constant "making sure you are not a bot" check. For now I see no reason to migrate, but I do admit Forgejo looks very interesting to self-host.

I moved (from selfhost gitlab) to forgejo recently, and for my needs it's a lot better, with a lot less hassle. It also seems a lot more performant (again probably because I don't need a lot of the advanced features of gitlab).

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bit1993 »

bayindirh wrote: post #20
themgt wrote: post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

I mean, they're battling with DDoS all the time. I follow their account on Mastodon, and they're pretty open about it. I believe the correct question is "Why they are getting DDoSed this much if they are not something important?" For anyone who wants to follow: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg Even their status page is under attack. Sorry for my French, but WTF?

Part of the problem is that Codeberg/Gitea's API endpoints are well documented and there are bots that scrape for gitea instances. Its similar to running SSH on port 22 or hosting popular PHP forums software, there are always automated attacks by different entities simply because they recognize the API.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by halapro »

tuupola wrote: post #10

They also made the disastrous update to the dashboard feed which made the frontpage pretty much useless. https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/65343

Haven't used the dashboard in years. What's on it now might be more useful. The homepage for me should be set to Notifications.

At any rate, the feed is still available and you can reach it via browser autocomplete. I open GitHub by typing "not" in my URL bar and landing on the notifications page.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by kunley »

mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

The big issue with Github is that they never denied feeding ai with private repositories. (Gitlab for example did that when asked). This fact alone makes many users bitter, even for organizations not using private repos per se.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by keiferski »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #113
keiferski wrote: post #109

LLMs are useful, but AI is itself a marketing term that has begun to lose its luster. It’s rapidly becoming an annoying or trendy label, not a cutting edge one. I guarantee that in ~24 months, most AI features will still remain in some form or another on most apps, but the marketing language of AI-first will have evaporated entirely.

> AI is itself a marketing term that has begun to lose its luster. It’s rapidly becoming an annoying or trendy label, not a cutting edge one. Where have you been the last 15 years? However, I agree with your prediction. Coke making AI advertisements may have had cache a couple years ago, but now would be a doofus move.

I don’t remember AI being used as a widespread marketing term until 2-3 years ago. Before that it was just more of a vague tech thing you’d sometimes see, but now every single app seems to have reframed their business to be about AI agents.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by sunnyday_002 »

jcmfernandes wrote: post #117
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

> a well-formed CI system Man :| no. I genuinely understand the convenience of using Actions, but it's a horrible product.

In what way? I've never had an issue other than outages.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by huijzer »

p2detar wrote: post #34
themgt wrote: post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

There have been complaints about it on Reddit as well. I registered an account recently and to me the annoying thing is the constant "making sure you are not a bot" check. For now I see no reason to migrate, but I do admit Forgejo looks very interesting to self-host.

> but I do admit Forgejo looks very interesting to self-host.

I've been self-hosting it for a few years now and can definitely recommend. It has been very reliable. I even have a runner running. Full tutorial at https://huijzer.xyz/posts/55/installing-forgejo-with-a-separ....

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by irusensei »

mechazawa wrote: post #2

More and more projects are moving to Codeberg, and I'm wondering; at what point will a critical mass be reached? Or will we end up with a fragmented ecosystem?

Git itself comes out as a very decentralized tool to me.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by CuriouslyC »

bit1993 wrote: post #119
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

You don't need to develop on Github to get this, just mirror your repo.
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