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People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by dmz73 »

fleshmonad wrote: post #40
tiahura wrote: post #13

Why? I’ve been using Unix workstations since the motif days through gnome whatever, but and every single one has seemed clunky as heck compared to the contemporaneous windows. Win 11 file explorer is 20 years ahead of nautilus. Not to mention all of the other windows perks like HiDPI & multi-monitor scaling polish, rdp, vastly superior accessibility, … And you can run wsl2 if you need to.

Epic ragebait. > Win11 file picker is years ahead of some random file picker option available on linux First it would be nice to know why you would think this and maybe provide an example, second there are other file pickers. It should also be noted that you don't need one at all, but if you want one, there are so many options, try nemo > HiDPI Wayland > Multi monitor scaling polish What did he mean by that? Wayland…

I would like for Linux to be able to replace Windows. I run Linux on some of my computers with various levels of success. But even with Windows 11 being as annoying as it is and Ubuntu/Mint/Cachy/Fedora/etc having some really good points they are not as easy to use as Windows. Sure, web browsing is almost the same and simple home office tasks are close enough. But all of the complaints that GP has mentioned are valid. Windows file chooser is essentially small Windows Explorer and you can do almost everything that you can in the explorer while you are in file chooser mode. None of the Linux desktops have anything close. HiDPI and multi monitor scaling on Linux has gotten better and it might approach what Windows had for the last 10 years but it is not 100% there yet. Wayland is just a protocol with many incomplete and incompatible extensions that may or may not be implemented by your DE. VNC is not even remotely close to RDP in features or performance. It just isn't. I have used RDP over dial-up that was more responsive that VNC over LAN. Not to mention sound, printer, disks, USB, etc all being available over one RDP connection. Accessibility on Linux is a joke. On screen keyboard may work 80% of the time, screen reader might work 20% of the time. Sound might come out of random output or it might not. You may have to play with random settings, good luck with that if you are vision impaired. One big reason Linux isn't there yet is people who just dismiss all of the above and go with "it works for me so it must be good for everyone."

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by rs186 »

fleshmonad wrote: post #40
tiahura wrote: post #13

Why? I’ve been using Unix workstations since the motif days through gnome whatever, but and every single one has seemed clunky as heck compared to the contemporaneous windows. Win 11 file explorer is 20 years ahead of nautilus. Not to mention all of the other windows perks like HiDPI & multi-monitor scaling polish, rdp, vastly superior accessibility, … And you can run wsl2 if you need to.

Epic ragebait. > Win11 file picker is years ahead of some random file picker option available on linux First it would be nice to know why you would think this and maybe provide an example, second there are other file pickers. It should also be noted that you don't need one at all, but if you want one, there are so many options, try nemo > HiDPI Wayland > Multi monitor scaling polish What did he mean by that? Wayland…

Anyone who has used rdp for more than a few hours knows how much better the experience is compared to vnc. Most things just work. In case someone needs touch screen support, there is no comparison.

File picker has been a strength of Windows for quite a few versions. And the consensus seems to be that it is better than Mac's (based on my YouTube watch history). I have used various Linux desktops, and none of the file pickers are nearly as good as the Windows native one, in yet of being able to navigate/filter/order things and occasionally getting more information about the selection.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by dghlsakjg »

stavros wrote: post #75
AndrewDucker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are they at running all of the games I own on Steam?

Game selection is terrible on a Mac. I find it mindblowing that my Linux desktop/laptop run all my games , bar none, but a very small percentage runs on my Mac.

The exact same underlying software (Wine) that lets you run all of your windows games on Linux using Proton also works on MacOS using Crossover.

I haven't found anything in my steam library that Crossover (wine with a nice GUI) hasn't handled on my Mac yet. I'm sure a bad game exists, but for most games it is seamless.

I tend not to have unrealistic expectations like running AAA titles at high framerates on a mid-tier laptop, and tend to go for indy games, but the games I have run work great.

Native game selection is - in fact - pretty limited, but who cares if it is being run with a compatibility layer if it plays well.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #98

Oh fuck. The assholes that thought Windows was perfectly acceptable until late 2025 are flocking to Linux. Maybe get a Macbook? Do you even know how bad Linux is? The video drivers don't work, bluetooth doesn't work, your laptop won't wake up from sleep, it's horrible. Go the fuck away. Linux is horrible. Windows is fucking awesome. Mac is OK. Linux sucks. Don't waste your time.

LOL

But I still think it's better to have the unwashed masses move to Linux just to give Microsoft the middle finger of realisation that they're, well, making horrible decisions.

Maybe we can compromise by keeping all the n00bs shepherded into the Ubuntu pen?

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by fleshmonad »

tmtvl wrote: post #119
fleshmonad wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there is anything more accessible than lines of text in a grid. Maybe you don't need to make every button of every GUI program ever accessible.

I doubt a blind or very nearsighted user would appreciate your lines of text in a grid very much.

So using a screen reader with a terminal is somehow worse than using a screen reader on a cluttered gui?

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by dghlsakjg »

talys_cat wrote: post #79
powerclue wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not toxic to not offer infinite support for a platform you don't have familiarity with. Just like if you are vegan it's not toxic to refuse to prepare a meaty hamburger. Yes, a toxic version of this exists, but simply refusing to do a thing isn't toxic.

So we compare living creatures killing with helping to setup a wi-fi.

Grilling a hamburger isn't killing a cow sorta like how an analogy is a useful illustrative tool even when not literally accurate.

See! Even a terrible analogy can get the point across.

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #124
rufus_foreman wrote: post #98

Oh fuck. The assholes that thought Windows was perfectly acceptable until late 2025 are flocking to Linux. Maybe get a Macbook? Do you even know how bad Linux is? The video drivers don't work, bluetooth doesn't work, your laptop won't wake up from sleep, it's horrible. Go the fuck away. Linux is horrible. Windows is fucking awesome. Mac is OK. Linux sucks. Don't waste your time.

LOL But I still think it's better to have the unwashed masses move to Linux just to give Microsoft the middle finger of realisation that they're, well, making horrible decisions. Maybe we can compromise by keeping all the n00bs shepherded into the Ubuntu pen?

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Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by duxup »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

“Microsoft president Pavan Davulur tweeted on Nov. 10 that ‘Windows is evolving into an agentic OS, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere” Apple could probably run a Mac vs PC billboard on this tweet alone.

That quote looks indistinguishable from some middle manager LinkedIn post ... from a middle manager who has no clue what they said ...

Re: People keep flocking to Linux, not just to escape Windows

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Post by duxup »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #31

No one at Apple or Microsoft seems to care to serve the users. We are at an interesting point in the history of computers. This failure mode of capitalism should've been easy to anticipate: owners of capital eventually become the customers. Capitalism is great for technology development. But stable markets don't generate the returns VCs and public company shareholders demand. I predict a return to simple commerce: pa…

Find macOS very capable and user focused.
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