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Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

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Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

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post #66

I used to work in perception for autonomous aerial vehicles and horizontal wires were the hardest common object to avoid. Traditional stereo won't help you localize them -- wires are thin so even mere detection can be hard, and one portion of a wire looks much like another so feature matching fails resulting in bad or no depth estimates -- and LIDAR sacrifices resolution for weight and power consumption (which both h…

> Traditional stereo won't help you localize them [...] and LIDAR sacrifices resolution for weight and power consumption I wonder if a more mechanical solution wouldn't help: Whiskers, like on a cat. A long enough set of thin lightweight whiskers could touch the wire before the propellers do, giving time for the drone to stop and change course. Essentially, giving the drone a sense of touch.

A cage around the drone, there are kids toys like this, and also commercial products for inspection. Prevents contact with other objects, contact can be sensed and reacted to. https://www.flyability.com/elios-3

Doesn't protect against everything, like Spanish Moss which dangles from trees, but that is a lot bigger than a long thin wire.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#122
post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any one particular cable might not move often, but if a telco owns N bucket trucks it's a safe bet that about N cables move every workday. Telcos are notoriously secretive about the location of their fiber. They even got most state legislatures to exempt it from state-level FOIA laws.

If you have a map of all utility poles you could probably just avoid every straight line between any of them within some reasonable distance of eachother.

it's an approximation of dangerous areas, catenary curves are more accurate than straight lines but you don't know the length of the cable so you don't know the droop height.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#123

I used to work in perception for autonomous aerial vehicles and horizontal wires were the hardest common object to avoid. Traditional stereo won't help you localize them -- wires are thin so even mere detection can be hard, and one portion of a wire looks much like another so feature matching fails resulting in bad or no depth estimates -- and LIDAR sacrifices resolution for weight and power consumption (which both h…

> Traditional stereo won't help you localize them Wouldn't making a quick circuit around the house before landing allow wires to be observed from multiple angles be enough?

Yes but tradeoffs with delivery speed, and thin wires are still hard to detect with limits on vision processing.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#124
post #55

This comes after the incident where multiple drones crashed into a crane. Given that prior incident and now this the FAA will likely not be too kind to Amazon. The permission on drone tech is predicated on very strong “see and avoid” technology. Given two pretty bad screw-ups now in as many months the FAA won’t be amused at the failures in the tech on these drones.

And that crane cable was much thicker! And it was two drones in a short period of time!

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#125
post #84

Fucking, learn it from the self driving car companies. fly your drones for at least 6 months in the city, make high resolution 3d maps of the area, identify the no fly zones, train models on these. I can't believe their drones are crashing into stationary cranes.

"But the crane wasn't there yesterday!"

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#126
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Jesus before him: they hated him, for he told them the truth.

In tech, no one is Jesus but many are John the Baptist.

Jesus saves but John makes backups and Moses takes them offsite.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In tech, no one is Jesus but many are John the Baptist.

Jesus saves but John makes backups and Moses takes them offsite.

Sadly, Moses was canceled for his anger issues and couldn't attend the off-site as HR ordered mandatory sensitivity training.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#128
post #84

Fucking, learn it from the self driving car companies. fly your drones for at least 6 months in the city, make high resolution 3d maps of the area, identify the no fly zones, train models on these. I can't believe their drones are crashing into stationary cranes.

"But the crane wasn't there yesterday!"

lmao

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#129
post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any one particular cable might not move often, but if a telco owns N bucket trucks it's a safe bet that about N cables move every workday. Telcos are notoriously secretive about the location of their fiber. They even got most state legislatures to exempt it from state-level FOIA laws.

If you have a map of all utility poles you could probably just avoid every straight line between any of them within some reasonable distance of eachother.

OpenPoleMap is achievable. Just don't expect local governments to subsidise the mapping of obstacles to drones of the likes of Amazon.

Re: Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas

#130
post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any one particular cable might not move often, but if a telco owns N bucket trucks it's a safe bet that about N cables move every workday. Telcos are notoriously secretive about the location of their fiber. They even got most state legislatures to exempt it from state-level FOIA laws.

If you have a map of all utility poles you could probably just avoid every straight line between any of them within some reasonable distance of eachother.

Most "utility pole maps" only show poles with power lines on them.

A ton of telco cables are on telco-only poles (basically just a really straight tree trunk shoved in the ground, no cross-arms at all).

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