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What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by throw0101c »

b112 wrote: post #107
dotancohen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. That's not the point. The parent was saying "if you own content and display content, you must license it", not "the price needs to be reasonable". Typically, there are ways to do this. One way is forcing a company's distribution and streaming to be separate, and this already exists in some other parts of the market. So if…

> That's not the point. The parent was saying "if you own content and display content, you must license it", not "the price needs to be reasonable".

Or perhaps creation and display/distribution cannot be done by the same entity / conglomerate.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by throw0101c »

troupo wrote: post #117
dotancohen wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, most art is housed in either private locations or paid museums. Certainly most well-known art. You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa.

> You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa. That owner is the French state that heavily subsidises The Louvre. On top of that no one prevents you from taking pictures or videos of Mona Lisa, re-drawing it any way you like, and posting those photos and videos and drawings and what not anywhere. Additionally, there's nothing preventing museums just exhibiting their collections anywhere, and they d…

> That owner is the French state that heavily subsidises The Louvre. On top of that no one prevents you from taking pictures or videos of Mona Lisa, re-drawing it any way you like, and posting those photos and videos and drawings and what not anywhere.

The Eiffel Tower copyright on the other hand:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower#Illumination_copy...

* https://www.travelandleisure.com/photography/illegal-to-take...

* https://www.headout.com/blog/eiffel-tower-copyright/

* https://www.rd.com/article/eiffel-tower-illegal-photos/

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by macartain »

DiskoHexyl wrote: post #51

Finally jumped ship to a Jellyfin based home server and couldn't be happier. The ui is surprisingly good and polished (especially for the users who don't have to manage the library), video quality is amazing (with bd source files, who would have thought, but even DVD is often better than what modern streaming provides), and I can cache the movies on my phone when needed. It works in ANY browser under ANY os, doesn't…

I find the free version of plex - once I config out all their own streaming junk - is perfectly good.. (and it runs acceptably on my ancient synology) Are there any compelling reasons for me to look in to jellyfin?

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by turnsout »

freetime2 wrote: post #45
silisili wrote: post #11

It's weird. When Netflix came about, I was excited to dump all the bespoke pirating stuff that it replaced. I didn't mind paying for content, in fact, I was glad to. Fast forward a while, and now Netflix seems to be an undiscoverable mess of old and foreign content while charging twice as much. Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, ther…

I think I actually enjoyed Netflix more when they used to send DVDs in the mail. The library of movies felt much more complete, and getting stuff in the mail is fun. And it’s probably a healthier way to watch than binging 3 seasons of some mediocre show in a weekend just to see how it ends.

Yeah, I think younger people don't realize how limiting Netflix's library is today. They used to have absolutely everything. If it was released on DVD, they had it.

Now if I want to watch a movie or TV show, I need to consult an aggregator [0] to figure out where it's streaming.

As a nerd, I was so excited about the early days of streaming, as it felt like the inevitable path for a company like Netflix.

Now though, I'm way past subscription fatigue. I've seen movies I "purchased" on iTunes be silently swapped out for other versions as the licensing changed.

So I recently bought a Blu-ray player for the first time, and I'm assembling a library of plastic discs. This might be the last physical media format for video, so I want to support it and grab some of these titles while they're available.

[0]: https://www.justwatch.com

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by left-struck »

macartain wrote: post #123
DiskoHexyl wrote: post #51

Finally jumped ship to a Jellyfin based home server and couldn't be happier. The ui is surprisingly good and polished (especially for the users who don't have to manage the library), video quality is amazing (with bd source files, who would have thought, but even DVD is often better than what modern streaming provides), and I can cache the movies on my phone when needed. It works in ANY browser under ANY os, doesn't…

I find the free version of plex - once I config out all their own streaming junk - is perfectly good.. (and it runs acceptably on my ancient synology) Are there any compelling reasons for me to look in to jellyfin?

It’s free as in freedom and open source. This isn’t just a thing for people who are preachy but it’s also a sign that it’s less likely to change the terms of the deal, so to speak.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

throw0101c wrote: post #122
troupo wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa. That owner is the French state that heavily subsidises The Louvre. On top of that no one prevents you from taking pictures or videos of Mona Lisa, re-drawing it any way you like, and posting those photos and videos and drawings and what not anywhere. Additionally, there's nothing preventing museums just exhibiting their collections anywhere, and they d…

> That owner is the French state that heavily subsidises The Louvre. On top of that no one prevents you from taking pictures or videos of Mona Lisa, re-drawing it any way you like, and posting those photos and videos and drawings and what not anywhere. The Eiffel Tower copyright on the other hand: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower#Illumination_copy... * https://www.travelandleisure.com/photography/illegal-…

Omg. Now this is well and truly bullshit :)

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by commiepatrol »

I get why the general non-tech crowd pays for Netflix but why people who hang out on here do it is beyond me. Most shows/movies on Netflix are garbage, there are plenty of free services that you can stream anything you want from. Why the hell would I pay for Netflix or any other paid service?

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by dpark »

mcny wrote: post #44
bambax wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there should be something like a "mechanical license". Content owners would set their own price but it would be the same for everyone and they shouldn't have the power to pick their licensees.

The idea of a mechanical license sounds perfect. Sorry to go off a tangent but my mind immediately went to healthcare as I have never heard of a mechanical license before. can the same idea be applied to healthcare? for example, hospitals and doctors can set their own rates but these rates have to be public and they can't charge one insurance lower rate? If they charge anyone a lower rate, they have to charge the sam…

> these rates have to be public and they can't charge one insurance lower rate? If they charge anyone a lower rate, they have to charge the same rate for everyone.

The problem with this is that it takes away only half of the negotiation. Doctors are now obliged to charge $X consistently but insurance is not obliged to pay it. So the negotiation process seems broken, and seems like it would cause a lot of bad faith negotiations from the insurers. “Eh, we’ll pay you minimum wage. Don’t like it? We’ll just wait until someone else finds your actual minimum and then you can pay us that.”

It’s also not clear what happens if Doctor A charges 10% more than Doctor B at the same medical facility. If you see Doctor A, can your insurance decline that even though they would have paid Doctor B’s rate?

Of course the current process is broken too.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by rusk »

philipallstar wrote: post #90
rusk wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think such an obvious scheme could escape the view of the monopoly laws could it?

I don't think you can have a monopoly on stuff you own. That's like saying I have a monopoly on my own house.

Ha. Guess you’ve not much grasp on how competition law works huh
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