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Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by 4ggr0 »

rollcat wrote: post #111
linguae wrote: post #15

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I'm not affiliated with ravynOS, but I've been periodically following the project for a few years. The main page ( https://ravynos.com/ ) expresses the philosophy of ravynOS: "We love macOS, but we’re not a fan of the ever-closing hardware and ecosystem. So, we are creating ravynOS — an OS aimed to provide the finesse of macOS with the freedom of FreeBSD." rayvnOS seems to be designed for people who love macOS, parti…

> soldered RAM Hold on a minute. It's not "soldered". It's integrated with the SoC . The benefit is memory latency and bandwidth. If you know Framework, their entire mission is to build upgradeable laptops, and they keep delivering. Now they also wanted to build an incredibly powerful, but small and quiet desktop. They went directly to AMD, asked their engineers to make the memory upgradeable. AMD worked really hard…

> The world has moved on

we're talking about laptops, right?

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by 4ggr0 »

niek_pas wrote: post #112
daniel_iversen wrote: post #5

This is so cool, the little mini screenshots look gorgeous because it replicates MacOS. I’m not sure if a lot of people feel the same but over the years I always thought it was a shame that Linux’ overall UX and aesthetics seemed a little bit more rushed and “crowd sourced” (in the sense that it felt diverse in terms of ui opinions and taste etc). It almost makes me want to try Linux again just for that look and feel…

> the little mini screenshots look gorgeous because it replicates MacOS. I have the opposite reaction. To me the screenshots look like someone tried to replicate macOS but failed. The text antialiasing is off, the font is different (and worse), the border-radii on menus are off, etc. Besides, the actual screenshots of the current OS ( https://ravynos.com/screenshots ) are... really rough.

i didn't expect it to look so...dated[0]? the things are approximately where they are on MacOS, but it looks like Window 2000/ME/98.

[0]or retro, for anyone who's offended by me calling it dated.

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by 4ggr0 »

MangoToupe wrote: post #45
Alifatisk wrote: post #10

The website looks sleek, I get the impression that the ui for the os will be the same. But then when I look at the screenshots, it look like macOS stuck in 2008.

Who cares about sleekness? Linux has looked sleek for decades but still behaves like ass

> still behaves like ass

huh?

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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RussianCow wrote: post #75
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #31

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Apple Mail also is in my eyes the only generic mail client out there that really “gets it”. Thunderbird has always felt clunky in comparison and the recent redesign just made it a different kind of clunky. Everything else is either too minimal (Geary), tries to clone old style Outlook (Evolution), or is tied to/favors a particular provider (Gmail, Outlook, etc).

This. I use Linux as my primary OS (with KDE) and my main complaint, by far, is the email/calendar situation. Mail.app simultaneously just works and gets out of my way, and I haven't seen a Linux email client come close to replicating that. Every few years I convince myself I'll create a better email client for Linux, and I always start the project enthusiastically and stop soon after, when I get just far enough to b…

Is there a reason you cannot clone an existing client with technically solid mail handling and build a new UI on top of it?

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by geocar »

zorked wrote: post #120
fooker wrote: post #119

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No, these are specifically ‘redistributables’. In the rare case they aren’t, you just require the user to obtain it, wink and nod.

Typically in Microsoft redistributables there are terms in the license that says they can only be licensed for use with a Windows license.

Here's the Visual Studio redistributable licensing requirements:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/license-terms/vs2026-ga-v...

There's nothing about Windows licenses in there. There is a specious claim that I can't modify the DLL in some circumstances, but I doubt that's enforceable in any jurisdiction Microsoft could reach me, and to the careful reader the license almost admits as such.

If I'm NVidia in this case, these would be pretty easy to follow. Now I redistribute the DLL: My user downloads the DLL and uses my software (with the DLL) in Wine. Good for them. I have a happy customer. _Maybe_ Microsoft is unhappy, but I'm not sure what they can do besides pound sand: _I_ haven't violated those terms, and my user doesn't have any relationship with Microsoft.

If I've made a mistake and the Visual Studio redistributable isn't typical, what exactly do you think _is_ a typical license from Microsoft that has the force you suggest?

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by criddell »

sneak wrote: post #74
lathiat wrote: post #51

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I would argue that iPadOS (built on iPhone's coat tails) moved the field forward significantly in terms of isolation and user security. While this has left a long tail of inconveniences, many resolved and some not, I am very confident that using 1 app on my iPhone/iPad will not leak data to another in any case that I am likely to care about as a non-significantly interesting person (political figure, etc). ... and fo…

> While this has left a long tail of inconveniences, many resolved and some not, I am very confident that using 1 app on my iPhone/iPad will not leak data to another in any case that I am likely to care about as a non-significantly interesting person (political figure, etc). Log in to YouTube with one Google account. Log in to Google Drive with a different one. Google knows that both accounts are owned by the same pe…

I don't think it's something special that Google is doing. I suspect they are just using the built-in App Groups functionality.

Basically, it's a way for different apps from the same developer to share information via a data container.

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by doug-moen »

4ggr0 wrote: post #121
rollcat wrote: post #111

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> soldered RAM Hold on a minute. It's not "soldered". It's integrated with the SoC . The benefit is memory latency and bandwidth. If you know Framework, their entire mission is to build upgradeable laptops, and they keep delivering. Now they also wanted to build an incredibly powerful, but small and quiet desktop. They went directly to AMD, asked their engineers to make the memory upgradeable. AMD worked really hard…

> The world has moved on we're talking about laptops, right?

no, they are talking about high performance desktops, mostly. They link to the Framework desktop, which has 256 GB/s memory bandwith. For comparison, the Apple Mac Pro has 800 GB/s memory bandwidth. Neither manufacturer is able to achieve these speeds using socketed memory.

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by 4ggr0 »

doug-moen wrote: post #128
4ggr0 wrote: post #121

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> The world has moved on we're talking about laptops, right?

no, they are talking about high performance desktops, mostly. They link to the Framework desktop, which has 256 GB/s memory bandwith. For comparison, the Apple Mac Pro has 800 GB/s memory bandwidth. Neither manufacturer is able to achieve these speeds using socketed memory.

> no, they are talking about high performance desktops

then i don't really get the "world has moved on"-claim. in my bubble socketed RAM is still the way to-go, be it for gaming or graphics work. of course Apple-user will use a Mac Pro, but saying that the world has moved on when it's about high-performance, deluxe edge-cases is a bit hyperbolic.

but maybe my POV is very outdated or whatever, not sure.

Re: New OS aims to provide (some) compatibility with macOS

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Post by grvbck »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #39
forgetfulness wrote: post #28

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Notes and Reminders are extremely good at what they do, and the synchronization with their iOS equivalents is flawless from what I can tell… and fat chance you get to uproot such a thing to a non-Apple OS. Third party apps other than for media editing seem to be rare, I think Apple has gobbled or rug pulled much of its independent software vendor ecosystem.

That’s what I was implying when I said the integration. As far as indie apps, BBEdit will survive the heat death of the universe and has made it through every Apple transition since at least System 7 in 1992. Funny enough, I’ve only had one Apple computer during each era - an Apple //e (65C02), a Mac LC II (68K), A PowerMac 6100/60 (classic Mac PPC), Mac Mini G4 (OS X PPC), a Core Dúo Mac Mini (x86) and now a MacBook…

> BBEdit will survive the heat death of the universe

With GraphicConverter by its side.

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