All else aside, Microsoft 365 as an office suite screams for disruption. If you don't believe me try actually using their copilot and observe the poor integrations with core products such as Excel/Word/Powerpoint. Sorry for the offtopic but it really hurts for those of us who are forced by their CIO to use this thing.
ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
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Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#122All else aside, Microsoft 365 as an office suite screams for disruption. If you don't believe me try actually using their copilot and observe the poor integrations with core products such as Excel/Word/Powerpoint. Sorry for the offtopic but it really hurts for those of us who are forced by their CIO to use this thing.
Yes, the product is terrible and easily beat out by a competitor. However, most people who are forced to use it is by dictate their own company CIO, hence MS has captive audiences.
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not about having a subsidiary, it's about the technical structure of 365 meaning Microsoft US has access to Microsoft EU servers and thus US employees can be compelled to follow US court orders. They simply don't separate the infrastructure this way AFAIK.
Oh I see the point. So MS US has credentials for the infra in EU. So no reason to deal with any European citizen or court. You just threaten the US IT guy to give you the EU credentials.
Yes, and the Cloud Act pretty much forces upper management to ensure that there is always a US IT guy that can be compelled to implement the wishes of The US Federal Government, as the penalties apply to executives of US companies, too.
We can quibble about whether the term "threaten", which implies some moral wrong doing, is correct though. It's a law with defined criminal penalties. That's how criminal law works
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has to follow US sanctions, even if they are misplaced. This isn't a choice on Microsoft's part here. The ICC was applauded in the US in the when it went after Russia but when it goes after Israel it is sanctioned. It unfortunately hard to be impartial, like the ICC is, when it comes to international war crimes. The big players want you to play towards their favourites and only hold their enemies accountabl…
> Microsoft has to follow US sanctions Microsoft has to follow US law . If it believes an order has been issued unlawfully, it—and everyone who works there who follows the order—has a civic duty to oppose the order in court.
>Microsoft has to follow US law.
while operating in the US
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft has to follow US sanctions Microsoft has to follow US law . If it believes an order has been issued unlawfully, it—and everyone who works there who follows the order—has a civic duty to oppose the order in court.
>Microsoft has to follow US law. while operating in the US
> while operating in the US
While having anything to do with America or the U.S. dollar.
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#126So, reading the documentation in the [repo]( https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk/deployment/opendesk/... ) it’s immediately made clear that you should use the Enterprise Edition for production use. (Since the German state is behind this, why not focus on totally free software for production use?) But what really surprised me are statements like this in the README: ” Nextcloud Enterprise: openDesk uses the Nextclo…
It's a misconception that (A)GPL source code should be publicly available. GPL family mandates source code access to people who can access to the software itself. So as long as ICC gets the source code of the NextCloud EE and the Guard app, the GPL is fulfilled. This is how RedHat operates, and is not a violation of GPL. Also, this is how you can build a business around GPL. You only have to provide source code to pe…
But presumably, under the GPL, someone who obtained the source code, perhaps by paying for it, can freely publish that source code, and non-disclosure agreements are void.
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has to follow US sanctions, even if they are misplaced. This isn't a choice on Microsoft's part here. The ICC was applauded in the US in the when it went after Russia but when it goes after Israel it is sanctioned. It unfortunately hard to be impartial, like the ICC is, when it comes to international war crimes. The big players want you to play towards their favourites and only hold their enemies accountabl…
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Related, British intelligence firms on Qatari payroll were spying on the ICC head's rape accuser
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/nov/06/qatar-linked-int...
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did MS Word support in the long long ago during its transition to dominance. There was nothing worse than getting a call from a lawyer who was forced off Word Perfect.
> a lawyer who was forced off Word Perfect My lawyers at big firms still use it, though they export .doc(x).
But how are they exporting such a modern document format? Holee crap, because it's still being sold an updated! https://www.wordperfect.com/en/
And the suite includes Quattro Pro, for those that are itchin' for that spreadsheet-flavored blast from the past. If I didn't already have the Apple suite on my Mac (which does all I need out of an office suite), I'd spend the $50 for home/student version just for the lulz.
Re: ICC ditches Microsoft 365 for openDesk
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a misconception that (A)GPL source code should be publicly available. GPL family mandates source code access to people who can access to the software itself. So as long as ICC gets the source code of the NextCloud EE and the Guard app, the GPL is fulfilled. This is how RedHat operates, and is not a violation of GPL. Also, this is how you can build a business around GPL. You only have to provide source code to pe…
But presumably, under the GPL, someone who obtained the source code, perhaps by paying for it, can freely publish that source code, and non-disclosure agreements are void.
Yes. See Rocky Linux.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t understand why this is the case though. Could MS create a new EU based company in which it just owns shares ? Or is the US cloud act so wide that they can demand data from all the companies a us based company has equity in?
If you’re Microsoft do you really want to anger the federal government? Companies aren’t as cavalier about taking them on as they used to be. They’re likely Microsoft’s largest customer by far, and they have the power to end you (which they nearly did once).
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