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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#121
post #10

Oh, yet another luxury EV. Wake me up when a manufacturer finally commits to making an EV that everyone can afford and isn't a cloud-connected privacy nightmare.

Privacy nightmare undoubtedly, but if you want affordable EVs BYD has you covered. A fully-functional, crash-worthy and apparently quite decent EV for around 16,000 USD (in Australia).

If you can't buy one, blame your government:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-reviews/2026-byd-atto-1-rev...

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#122

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...through the subscription fee.

And from selling your data to whoever shows up with enough cash. What, you think they're leaving that money sitting on the table?

It's one thing to operate with an assumption that any VPN other than your own should not be fully trusted.

It's another thing to claim all of them are obviously corrupt.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#123
post #39

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).

On some cars you can also unplug whatever radio/modem doodad is responsible for phoning home. I have a Ford Maverick and disconnected the "telemetry module" which resides under the transmission hump by the front passenger seat.

I no longer receive updates to the infotainment system and I can't unlock the doors with my phone, but I also don't have the dealer emailing me service ads with my exact current mileage and tire pressure.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#124

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analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how they use it might be different. most use it to monetize the data. some might actually use it to improve things. because some do use for making money, those that do for actual improving will always be deemed suspect

You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?

yes

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#125
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It's a few grand more than a Focus ST. Hardly "luxury" money.

For a toy? definitely "luxury money"

I wouldn't say a "toy". Depending on your needs you could easily daily a 2-seater convertible with a couple of hundred miles range.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#126
post #122

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And from selling your data to whoever shows up with enough cash. What, you think they're leaving that money sitting on the table?

It's one thing to operate with an assumption that any VPN other than your own should not be fully trusted. It's another thing to claim all of them are obviously corrupt.

If you had a company whose core business proposition was Quite Obviously Shady, would you expect them to be scrupulously legit in other areas?

Quick question for you - rhino poaching is a huge problem in Africa, with poachers getting a surprisingly small amount of money per rhino they shoot, because the buyers only want the horns. Do you think paying the poachers more to not shoot the rhinos would solve that problem?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#128
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From the pictures, this is the kind of vehicle that you would gladly pay extra to have delivered to your second vacation home so you can park it next to your 6 other semi-exotic cars and drive it half a mile to the country club on Saturdays. If that is not your demographic, they might have geo-located your IP and blocked you based on the median income of your area. (Only half joking.)

Oh, c’mon, it’s 44K. One can easily spend 30K or more on a motorcycle these days, we are a long way from “country club” prices. If it came to the U. S., I’d probably pick one up to park next to our Hyundai (yeah, a Hyundai, not a Range Rover).

30k? What motorbikes would they be?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#129
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The first 20yr of automotive computers they weren't really talking to each other and when they were it wasn't really bidirectional and it wasn't typically on a bus unless you wanna call a dedicated wire a bus.

I was working on diagnostics for cars using CAN in 1995.

If you were dealing with CAN back then then you of all people know it wasn't the norm at the time.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#130
post #85

Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It takes 2.7 hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.

Modern EVs also have airbags. This is just a toy for the wealthy, like a golf cart.
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