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Post by squigz »

LtWorf wrote: post #119
squigz wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, once you leave high school, you have a lot more choice in when/where you are forced to interact with bullies.

Also, bullying in school has no consequences, but outside it might have some.

Bullying in school absolutely has consequences, and they're mostly going to be much farther-reaching than those suffered as an adult - getting messed up psychologically is more impactful as a kid, not to mention any physical toll it takes, or the impact of it on one's education.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by supportengineer »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #96
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

> I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school What a lot of people learn from lunch rooms is not a happy social lesson. It’s who is allowed to sit where, and who is outcast from a table. It’s the shit teenagers lower on the social hierarchy have to take daily from teenagers who are higher, even if they are allowed to sit at the same table. High school is widely remembered as a brutal rite…

PE class being the other one where bullies thrive, and prey on the sensitive, intelligent, thoughtful kids. The coaches look the other way because they want the "win".

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Post by echelon »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #110
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful.

Next let's ban kids from social media.

Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing.

They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken people hostage and turned society against itself.

> I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and facebook ever could.

Chatbots aren't smart and AR glasses are dorky. They're going to remain niche for quite some time.

iPhone immediately caught on like wild fire. You can tell those other two don't have the same spark. I'm not saying there won't be users, but it's a much smaller population.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by supportengineer »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #5
everdrive wrote: post #2

Hopefully society continues to develop healthy norms with regard to this sort of technology. Collectively it's taken us a while, but I think people generally are starting to get the picture. Smartphones are bad in a wide variety of ways, but even when people miss some of the nuance I think we can make progress regarding the minimization of their usage.

Here in MA there is a 'bell to bell' phone ban bill in the works. I'm very happy we're letting kids be kids again. There is no need for a phone during the school day.

>> There is no need for a phone during the school day

I see you don't have kids yourself. You need to sync up with them when after-school plans change.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by supportengineer »

array_key_first wrote: post #68
9rx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone expect them to deliver what is best for us when the purpose of a company is to deliver what others want ?

Because social media sites like Facebook literally said they're going to make the world better, by connecting more people and empowering more ideas. It was all bullshit of course, but people did believe it, myself included. Just 15 years ago the outlook of social media was much more optimistic.

They could have gone down the path of being a service with a monthly subscription. Instead of making the customer become the product.

Imagine an alternate universe where, since you were paying them, they kept you safe and secure online, and kept the bad actors away.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by ryandrake »

squigz wrote: post #112
justonceokay wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Learning where you fit in the social hierarchy and attempting to navigate that hierarchy is more important than anything you’ll learn in math class. Even if it is embarrassing. It’s not like you graduate high school and then the bullies go away.

Generally, once you leave high school, you have a lot more choice in when/where you are forced to interact with bullies.

The exception being work, where a lot of people seem like they never left high school. Everywhere I've worked had the social totem pole, the cliques, the politics, the in-crowd and out-crowds. One place I worked was almost exactly like the movie Mean Girls. Lots of people just don't grow out of it.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by supportengineer »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #16

This is really funny for me to read because as a kid we were prohibited from having telecommunications devices while at school entirely. We were also prohibited from speaking during lunchtime. Our lunch was most definitely not loud.

I think my parents went to this school. Did the nuns slap you with rulers?

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Post by StarGrit »

zkmon wrote: post #122

Why should articles like these always start with some fictional story like a novel? The actual news is buried somewhere half-way after the throw-away story.

It is following a magazine style. This is partly to elicit an emotional reaction and partly I suspect because the copy writer is bored and wishes they were writing novels instead.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by iknowstuff »

echelon wrote: post #124
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. Next let's ban kids from social media. Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing. They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken p…

ChatGPT "caught on fire" faster than iPhones.
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