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Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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That's why we have Peertube and your personal (not hosted by a corp) website. It's amazing how people forgot to use the internet in exchange for "easier" UX.

> your personal (not hosted by a corp) website I'm not sure that's enough. A few years ago there were some set of websites that wanted less censorship than the main corporate sites (or at least, a different set of censorship rules), I forget all their names now - voat, rumble, gab, parler, etc and people who didn't like the content they saw there just went upstream to cloud providers, app stores, registrars, payment…

Allow me to introduce you to the Tor hidden service ecosystem: https://rnsaffn.com/zg4/

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

#122
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience, it used to be quite normal for a lot of my non-technical peers to have a personal webpage on the internet with frontpage express, wordpress or geocities. Nowadays, even a lot of businesses don't have a website, but instead an Instagram or Facebook entry. YMMV The internet is still decentralized today.

Idk, most people I know used services like wordpress.com (so not self hosted), livejournal (and its local alternatives) etc. This if we are talking about second half of 00s. Before this? Most people barely have internet access at home. And things like BBS (for example) were for techies only with very few exceptions. Maybe it was quite different in the US for example.

I don't think so, i was very young but my family didn't have Internet whatsoever until 2001 and didn't have broadband until 2005 (in the US). I certainly didn't know anyone self hosting anything (even my most tech savvy older relatives), but by 2005 we were all on Myspace.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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There was an article yesterday about Jimmy Wales commenting on edit wars on the Wikipedia entry for Genocide in Gaza (or similar title). The article didn't indicate his taking one side or the other, but I'd prefer if people didn't use name-recognition to influence such things (yes, even if they take the same side as me because others will do the same in the other direction). Fwiw, I downloaded a torrent of footage do…

>but I'd prefer if people didn't use name-recognition to influence such things You describe a laradox. If Jimmy Wales didn't say it, you never would have ended up making this comment. And thus attention to the matter that there are even edit wars on Gaza would be suppressed. We're a social species, so attaching a familiar name or face will always get more attention. You can even observe this on Reddit in how includin…

Isn't that the point? The "controversy" could (and maybe should) exist amongst Wikipedia editors

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Yeah I hope to never say this again, but I'm pretty sure Goebbels was right. Germany took those lessons to heart. Speech and expression related to Nazism is heavily regulated and subjects you to imprisonment. Demonstrations/rallies are often banned. The Nazi party itself is banned. AfD is being monitored by intelligence agencies and might be banned in the future, etc. They do this defensively when groups demonstrate…

Germany has never had much of a culture of free speech.

The intelligence agencies in charge of monitoring extremists have long had their own problems with extremism. The former head of the agency for "Protection of the Constitution" ("Verfassungsschutz") himself turned out to be a xenophobic right-wing extremist.[0] They have wide authority to spy on citizens based purely on their political views. Unless you really, really trust the agency doing that, this is not a good thing for society.

During the war in Gaza, the various restrictions on free speech were used to crack down on pro-Palestinian protesters. For many months after October 7th, many cities (such as Hamburg) issued blanket bans of pro-Palestinian protests. A Jewish German woman was even arrested for standing alone in a public square and holding up a sign about Gaza, because that was supposedly a violation of the ban on protests about Gaza.[1] All sorts of people have been banned from entering the country (including an elected member of the European Parliament, Yannis Varoufakis [2]), purely because of their views on Gaza. A major conference in Berlin was broken up by police because they allowed "banned" individuals to speak over Zoom (banned explicitly for their views on Gaza) [3]. When there's a major event going on in the world (which your government is involved in), and the government tells you you're not allowed to demonstrate about it, that's not a good thing.

These supposed protections have not done much of anything to prevent the rise of the far right in Germany. The "Alternative for Germany" (AfD) is a right-wing extremist party filled with "former" neo-Nazis (such as the leader of the party in the state of Thuringia, who used to write neo-Nazi articles under a pseudonym [4]). The AfD is now polling at 25%, making it tied for the most popular party in Germany. Even if the AfD doesn't get into government, the conservatives are imitating them more and more. The Chancellor recently said that German cities no longer look right (because you see too many foreigners). When asked what he meant, he responded, "Ask your daughter" (with the obvious implication). And no, the agency for protection of the constitution is obviously not going to tell him to stop saying things like this.

The German system of political censorship is not something that other countries should be imitating.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Maa%C3%9Fen

1. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/1/we-jews-are-just-arr...

2. https://www.newstatesman.com/diary/2024/04/cancelled-germany...

3. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A4stina-Kongress_in_Ber...

4. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke#Pseudony...

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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The deleted videos did, in fact, violate YouTube's rules, but it's questionable whether YouTube would have taken them down if they hadn't shown an Israeli soldier carrying out a lynching.

You are not spouting any fringe consipracy theory. Videos commenting on Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza ( see https://genocide.live/locations ) on TikTok played a huge role in publicising the genocide to the world. And it is also the primary reason why the western backers of Israel were so hell bent on acquiring TikTok - an IDF soldier, who is a "proud American Jew" and Zionist, already oversees "hate speech" and "antisemitism" policies on TikTok ( see https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/tiktok-hires-former-idf-reservi... ). And Netanyahu also publicly affirmed that social media was Israel’s new ‘weapon’ after the TikTok acquisition ( see https://www.newarab.com/news/netanyahu-says-social-media-isr... ).

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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post #98

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> Jimmy Kimmel is on the air today That it was even off, based on threats made by the government, is the point. Bad things by one party aren’t suddenly OK because a different party beat them.

We don't know that that's all that did it. ABC chose to do it, and probably because what he said was really ignorant and inflammatory to the US political left's violent streak. I am as against the Republicans doing this stuff even 5% as much as the Democrats did, so I'm glad the Trump administration turns out to have not done anything to get him off the air.

What Jimmy Kimmel said was:

1. The right was making all sorts of claims about the killer before they knew anything about him (this is a true statement).

2. Donald Trump is not acting at all like someone who's in mourning (this is also a true statement).

Neither of those statements is inflammatory or ignorant. They're both objectively true statements that pretty much everyone who follows the news is aware of.

Beyond that, you're ignoring the fact that ABC only "chose" to suspend Jimmy Kimmel's show after they were publicly threatened by Trump's FCC chair.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Yeah I hope to never say this again, but I'm pretty sure Goebbels was right. Germany took those lessons to heart. Speech and expression related to Nazism is heavily regulated and subjects you to imprisonment. Demonstrations/rallies are often banned. The Nazi party itself is banned. AfD is being monitored by intelligence agencies and might be banned in the future, etc. They do this defensively when groups demonstrate…

Germany has never had much of a culture of free speech. The intelligence agencies in charge of monitoring extremists have long had their own problems with extremism. The former head of the agency for "Protection of the Constitution" ("Verfassungsschutz") himself turned out to be a xenophobic right-wing extremist.[0] They have wide authority to spy on citizens based purely on their political views. Unless you really,…

It is insane that the AfD has not been banned yet.

To quote Gisy: "Die soll'n mal ihre Arbeit tun und die Verfassung schützen." - "They should do their work and protect the constitution" (referring to said agency and its name)

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Yeah I hope to never say this again, but I'm pretty sure Goebbels was right. Germany took those lessons to heart. Speech and expression related to Nazism is heavily regulated and subjects you to imprisonment. Demonstrations/rallies are often banned. The Nazi party itself is banned. AfD is being monitored by intelligence agencies and might be banned in the future, etc. They do this defensively when groups demonstrate…

Germany has never had much of a culture of free speech. The intelligence agencies in charge of monitoring extremists have long had their own problems with extremism. The former head of the agency for "Protection of the Constitution" ("Verfassungsschutz") himself turned out to be a xenophobic right-wing extremist.[0] They have wide authority to spy on citizens based purely on their political views. Unless you really,…

No system is perfect. Germany still has a bunch of work to do, sure, but I'd still very much prefer having a firewall to no firewall. Nazis in the US are entrenched - filibuster, gerrymandering, fptp, electoral college, supreme court, presidency, ICE, etc etc.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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> your personal (not hosted by a corp) website I'm not sure that's enough. A few years ago there were some set of websites that wanted less censorship than the main corporate sites (or at least, a different set of censorship rules), I forget all their names now - voat, rumble, gab, parler, etc and people who didn't like the content they saw there just went upstream to cloud providers, app stores, registrars, payment…

>I think to maintain any sort of real open web, we're going to need some sort of new Tor network that can support billions of users anonymously accessing information which can't be deplatformed That already exists. They're called onion sites. What we really need is something that performs about as well as the current Internet, but is stronger against deplatforming: decentralized DNS. It doesn't even need to give memo…

Unfortunately three letter agencies are going after exit node operators and threatening them in pretty fucked up ways. I think there's also likely some issues with very wide spread use of government owned nodes to be able to deanonymize people

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think to maintain any sort of real open web, we're going to need some sort of new Tor network that can support billions of users anonymously accessing information which can't be deplatformed That already exists. They're called onion sites. What we really need is something that performs about as well as the current Internet, but is stronger against deplatforming: decentralized DNS. It doesn't even need to give memo…

Unfortunately three letter agencies are going after exit node operators and threatening them in pretty fucked up ways. I think there's also likely some issues with very wide spread use of government owned nodes to be able to deanonymize people

What makes you think an alternative implementation of a deanonymization network wouldn't have the exact same problem?
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