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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by anotherevan »

rtpg wrote: post #98
zigzag312 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A few clicks. Getting through AWS documentation can be fairly time consuming.

Figuring out how to do db backups _can_ also be fairly time consuming. There's a question of whether you want to spend time learning AWS or spend time learning your DB's hand-rolled backup options (on top of the question of whether learning AWS's thing even absolves you of understanding your DB's internals anyways!) I do think there's value in "just" doing a thing instead of relying on the wrapper. Whether that's eas…

Hmmm, I think you have to figure out how to do your database backups anyway as trying to get a restorable backup out of RDS to use on another provider seems to be a difficult task.

Backups that are stored with the same provider are good, providing the provider is reliable as a whole.

(Currently going through the disaster recovery exercise of, "What if AWS decided they didn't like us and nuked our account from orbit.")

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by jand »

jaredhallen wrote: post #45

I'm fully aware this is pedantic, but you can't save 10x. You can pay 1/10. You can save 90%. Your previous costs could have been 10x your current costs. But 10x is more by definition, not less. You can't save it.

This becomes much clearer with a balance sheet in front of you.

What is saving? _Spending less_, that's all. Saving generates no income, it makes you go broke slower.

Independent of the price or the product, you can never save more than factor 1.0 (or 100%).

Wasn't there a guy on TV who wanted to make prices go down 1500%? Same BS, different flavor.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by gtech1 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

any serious business will(might?) have hundreds of Tbs of data. I store that in our DC and with a 2nd DC backup for about 1/10 the price of what it would cost in S3.

When does the cloud start making sense ?

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by busterarm »

winddude wrote: post #30
Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

linode was better and had cheaper pricing before being bought by akamai

No longer getting DDOSed multiple years in a row on Christmas Eve is worth whatever premium Akamai wants to charge over old Linode.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by big_maybe »

PantaloonFlames wrote: post #55
jaredhallen wrote: post #45

I'm fully aware this is pedantic, but you can't save 10x. You can pay 1/10. You can save 90%. Your previous costs could have been 10x your current costs. But 10x is more by definition, not less. You can't save it.

+1 words matter Clarity of expression is a superpower I don’t feel it’s pedantic at all.

People commonly use this expression in everyday conversation, such as, "you could save 10 times as much if you would just shop at Costco." So I agree with OP, their comment is correct but pedantic.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by veqq »

adammarples wrote: post #111
veqq wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In English, x or time(s) after a number marks a "unit" used by various verbs. A 10x increase. Increase by 10x. Go up 10x. Some of these verbs are negative like decrease or save. "Save 10x" is the same as "divide by 10". Four times less, 5 times smaller etc. are long attested.

No, x literally means multiply. It doesn't somehow also mean divide. They should use the percent sign, it's what it is for. 10x my costs means 10 x mycost, it's literally an equation

It's just inversion, like 2 to the power of 2 or 2 to the power of negative 2. These negative words inverse it just the same. You may dislike it, but millions of people have spoken this way for a long time.

> x literally means multiply

And some use the dot operator or even 2(3) or (2)(3). When programming, we tend to use *.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by trinsic2 »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #59

Its not actually that hard to get your own server racked up in a data centre, I have done it. Since it was only one box that I built and installed at home I just shipped it and they racked it in the shared area and plugged the power and network in and gave me the IP address. It was cheaper than renting from someone like hetzner, was about £15 a month at the time for 1A and 5TB a month of traffic at 1gbps. Also had a…

the problem isn't setup. its maintaining it. Its not an easy job to do that some times. Im not trying to dissuade people from running there own servers, but its something to consider.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by presentation »

gtech1 wrote: post #123
Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

any serious business will(might?) have hundreds of Tbs of data. I store that in our DC and with a 2nd DC backup for about 1/10 the price of what it would cost in S3. When does the cloud start making sense ?

In my case we have a B2B SaaS where access patterns are occasional, revenue per customer is high, general server load is low. Cloud bills just don’t spike much. Labor is 100x the cost of our servers so saving a piddly amount of money on server costs while taking on even just a fraction of one technical employee’s worth of labor costs makes no sense.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by ranger_danger »

system2 wrote: post #115

Sometimes I think I am out of the loop for using dedicated servers like OVH, DigitalOcean, and Hetzner, while others spend thousands of dollars for the things I spend barely a few hundred. This always made me think I am not a good developer enough to know the cutting-edge things others know. Turns out most of the developers suck at handling barebones with a Linux distro + nginx and some other plugins to do the same t…

I always thought it was because they were working at a huge scale... but who knows.
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