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Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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So they're people that can't recognize the factors that led to their own success? Sounds like they have a promising future

You're asking the wrong question. Even if they do recognize the benefits they received from college education, it doesn't mean they want to share those benefits with others. These people have made it abundantly clear on many occasions that they hate sharing, and even more so when it comes to sharing access to quality education.

You're right. But I think we should be asking both questions because that's what this implies.

  Either they:
  - Don't recognize the factors that contributed to their own success
  - Are ladder-pullers (pulling up the ladder behind them)
  - (open to other interpretations that are less likely, such as their education not actually contributing to their success...)
I see the former as likely, and worth noting as we see this sentiment being quite common in Silicon Valley itself. I mean the (current) top comment falls into this category[0]. The sentiment is reinforced by replies and replicated through other comments. I'm sure we've all head this sentiment in many places and in our offline lives.[1]

But you're also right to consider the more malevolent interpretation, especially considering we're discussing Palantir. The "fuck you, I got mine" crowd is growing, even if people are participating without realizing it. In a way, these related to the earlier point [see 1]. Personally, I feel the "fuck you, got mine" crowd is destructive to society. Not just at large, but even locally. We are communal creatures, and we formed societies because coalitions, by definition, generate more utility than we could by our summed efforts alone. It's one of the key ingredients not to just the success of humans as a whole, but to each and every one of us. We all benefit from creating more ladders, just as we all are worse off when any is removed. A rising tide lifts all ships after all. You can't lift the biggest ships by sinking others.

I tend to want to give the benefit of the doubt and be kind. Hoping that others will interpret and infer consequences of the settings. But if anyone is denying the attribution of their own education, then you're probably most right in implying that they are not thinking that deeply and we should be more explicit. Though the right way to do this kindly and convincingly is more difficult. How do you find that balance of making one face reality yet not in a way that raises their defenses so much that they can't see what's staring right at them?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45791581

[0.1] My response to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45793339

[1] Personally I think this is a bit of a defense mechanism for people. It can help build a view of the world that it is purely meritocratic and we can "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps." I'm not sure why we feel shame that others contributed to our success and have to tell this story that it was all us and everything was going against us.

Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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post #61

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They’re not looking for cofounders.

they are looking for cheapest labor they can squeeze out. I am highly educated with 30 years in, won’t answer an email under $250/hr. my neighbour coming out of HS will work for $20/hr

Knowing that they are giving them civics education makes it obvious they are indoctrinating people to accept what are almost certainly unconstitutional endeavors in partnership with the rising authoritarian faction in the US. It won't have a complete success rate, so watch for whistleblowers to be punished or disappeared. If that seems like hyperbole, it shouldn't. We are already there, just in time for Nov 5th. Notably Guy Fawkes' turning to violence to fight the oppression of Catholics caused that oppression to solidify for another two centuries. So don't go blowing up parliament.

Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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they are looking for cheapest labor they can squeeze out. I am highly educated with 30 years in, won’t answer an email under $250/hr. my neighbour coming out of HS will work for $20/hr

Knowing that they are giving them civics education makes it obvious they are indoctrinating people to accept what are almost certainly unconstitutional endeavors in partnership with the rising authoritarian faction in the US. It won't have a complete success rate, so watch for whistleblowers to be punished or disappeared. If that seems like hyperbole, it shouldn't. We are already there, just in time for Nov 5th. Nota…

Since when is hiring HS graduates unconstitutional?

Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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post #99

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it is not “engineering” - calling software development “engineering” is the craziest thing we’ve been able to squeeze through as an industry. trade school won’t help here and 4 (even 8) year degree won’t help. at 4 years by the time you finish sh*t you learned the first year are obsolete. and everyone needs to spare us “the fundamentals” as that doesn’t exist - in my 3 decades in the industry the absolute worst colle…

> it is not “engineering” - calling software development “engineering” is the craziest thing we’ve been able to squeeze through as an industry. Even ignoring the 'craziest thing' hyperbole in light of an industry that gave the whole planet depression and anxiety to increase 'engagement' how could you possibly defend this position? Definition of engineering: > The application of scientific and mathematical principles…

> Yup. Do all of that on the daily.

Carpenter by trade? :-)

Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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post #64

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Similar to the Apple CEO who said who needs a degree. Meantime he has an MBA from Duke, and BS in Industrial Engineering from Auburn, not an absolute top school but a very good one.

Steve Jobs didn't have a degree, but he seemed to very deeply value the liberal arts education that he did have.

He was very much an outlier, and a difficult personality.

Re: Palantir Thinks College Might Be a Waste. So It's Hiring High-School Grads

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to the Apple CEO who said who needs a degree. Meantime he has an MBA from Duke, and BS in Industrial Engineering from Auburn, not an absolute top school but a very good one.

Steve Jobs didn't have a degree, but he seemed to very deeply value the liberal arts education that he did have.

I'm thinking of his successor.
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