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Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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We use GCP at work, it works well for what we use it (VMs, container storage, cloud file storage), I wish they would stop deprecating stuff though, it just causes developer busy work with no additional value.

> it works well for what we use it How do you handle the slow console?

I have a bunch of scripts that do the work for me so I can just run that in the background and do something else, and for one off tasks grumble and mumble a bit.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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NVIDIA also seems like a risky bet because Google has their own chips R&D. It's not just another data center buying NVIDIA's GPUs. BTW Apple is following suit regarding chips, don't know if at some point Apple will offer any cloud service or continue to work on their ecosystem only. Beyond that there are a lot of new chip companies attacking the market: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45686790

While Google has their own chips, they don't really have the market power there to buy up bleeding-edge manufacturing capacity. Apple on the other hand... (though they're behind in other regards)

But they were just an example. They are many players arising. You can look at this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45746246 even https://www.nextsilicon.com/> is not on that list.

I don't see a natural monopoly anymore.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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This is one of the reasons I believe Google will ultimately win the AI race once the VC funding tap runs dry. For all its breakthroughs, OpenAI lacks any fiscal discipline. Sam Altman seems convinced that as long as they’re delivering value and have a clear mission, the money will somehow take care of itself. That’s fine for now, but the music will stop playing one day. When it comes to software engineering at scale,…

And after people get used to using AI from Google, they discontinue it, just like they’ve done with so many other services.

Sarcasm, of course, for those who didn’t catch it - it’s hard to make jokes online.

Google has so much cash from other services…

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Might have missed the boat on that. It’s everyone’s wet dream that Apple buys Anthropic, but I’m guessing their valuation now is already too high even for Apple. And why would Amazon let that happen? It’s a solid match but not happening unless the AI market craters and Apple swoops in to buy them for vastly less.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple eventually decides that AI isn’t even a market worth existing in beyond some basic on-device tools. They might say, have fun making single digit or negative profit margins on AI, we’ll sell subscriptions and iPhones and extended warranties.

All reports are that Apple isn’t really focusing on building their own server side models and is mostly just going to be a platform for other companies to fight over just like they said they don’t pay OpenAI anything for the current integration and Google pays them $20B+ a year to be the default search engine.

It makes no sense for Apple to waste money on having their own LLM when they are becoming commoditized - just chose the one that will give them the best deal.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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It's not really impressive to me in absolute terms that GCP grew by 34% because it's still in last place behind Azure. I worked with all three major CSPs at a past company and Google, by far, had the worst support, the worst network, the most issues, and at the same time they were the least willing to build custom features for us while Azure and AWS would constantly fight for our business. IMHO I think Microsoft is a…

I build tools for our security teams, I guarantee you the only reason we use Microsoft Azure is corporate deals. All the critical infrastructure is on AWS (including our Azure monitoring tools), and if we could move from Azure to GCP all our security experts would be happy (except maybe the red team members whose job would be harder)

You’re being way too dismissive of the importance of sales, customer support, inertia and reputation are when it comes to technology choices.

Google loses on all of those fronts.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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I've been a GCP consultant for close to a decade now. Google messed up big time lagging behind in AI - they just kept increasing prices in other products for about 5 years straight (CDN, for example) and did nothing to productize AI. I'm of the belief that ChatGPT should've been their pilot project. What they have now (AI mode) in Google should've been there well before ChatGPT. But, all that aside, you know what the…

I think App Engine was really ahead of its time in showing how simple cloud deployments can be. It had a similar ease of use as setting up a YouTube account. For that reason, a lot of people thought of it as a toy, which was kind of unfair because companies like Niantic were able to build global products on it. So a lot of Google Cloud afterward ended up being designed to be more "normal" like how Amazon is. Now peop…

Ah, that's a shame they went that way. What I tell people when they're first getting into GCP is that it's gonna be a passion to set up what you want. But, the offerings are great, and once it's working, it'll just work

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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> Google’s search business generated $56.56 billion in revenue — up 15% from the prior year. So, "search revenue" means ads, right? So with youtube ads, 66B out of 100B revenue is from advertising? In other words Alphabet is still an advertising company first, and foremost?

the percentage of revenue due to ads is definitely lower than say last decade. by 2050 I expect the super majority of revenue to be non-ads.

Perhaps. I kind of expect that targeted LLM generated content will take over for ads, product placements etc.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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This is one of the reasons I believe Google will ultimately win the AI race once the VC funding tap runs dry. For all its breakthroughs, OpenAI lacks any fiscal discipline. Sam Altman seems convinced that as long as they’re delivering value and have a clear mission, the money will somehow take care of itself. That’s fine for now, but the music will stop playing one day. When it comes to software engineering at scale,…

Google also own the ad space in a way that's unsurpassed, and that's the most direct route from where they are with their AI product and profitability.

Tangentially, it's sad to see AI become yet another attention factory. Sora 2 is OAI trying to get the jump on this, but I think it's quite likely that they'll get clobbered by Google and Meta when those companies start juicing their users attention in the same way - they have the ad buyers and the infrastructure for that business already, it's literally how they've made money this whole time.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple eventually decides that AI isn’t even a market worth existing in beyond some basic on-device tools. They might say, have fun making single digit or negative profit margins on AI, we’ll sell subscriptions and iPhones and extended warranties.

All reports are that Apple isn’t really focusing on building their own server side models and is mostly just going to be a platform for other companies to fight over just like they said they don’t pay OpenAI anything for the current integration and Google pays them $20B+ a year to be the default search engine. It makes no sense for Apple to waste money on having their own LLM when they are becoming commoditized - jus…

I also think apple has put a lot of energy into providing on device hardware for this kind of stuff, like they have gone through a ton of iterations at this point on their own hardware that is also ai focused. so now they offer a lot of value in the mid to near future because if you can run ai on device why wouldn't you since you don't need to pay cloud costs anymore since users pay that for you by buying iphones.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a GCP consultant for close to a decade now. Google messed up big time lagging behind in AI - they just kept increasing prices in other products for about 5 years straight (CDN, for example) and did nothing to productize AI. I'm of the belief that ChatGPT should've been their pilot project. What they have now (AI mode) in Google should've been there well before ChatGPT. But, all that aside, you know what the…

I think App Engine was really ahead of its time in showing how simple cloud deployments can be. It had a similar ease of use as setting up a YouTube account. For that reason, a lot of people thought of it as a toy, which was kind of unfair because companies like Niantic were able to build global products on it. So a lot of Google Cloud afterward ended up being designed to be more "normal" like how Amazon is. Now peop…

App Engine caused a huge innovator's dilemma for Google when it came to cloud. It only addressed a set of use cases around web application development- Folks would ask "why shoudl we build a low-margin cloud?" and I'd tell people: "if I can't import numpy, App Engine is useless to me". Eventually, the useful bits of AE were extracted to other services with APIs (datastore is one example), but it wasn't until google built a full GCP that they started to see real cloud growth (revenue).

"Normal" is what most of us want.

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