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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by pankalog »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #79

I don't understand the obsession with the new apple hardware. How is it worth this much trouble? My XPS13 works perfectly with Linux straight out of the box for half the price... and never in my entire life have I needed more than the eight hours of battery life it reliably delivers for me. I do most of my work over SSH on big metal machines, maybe that's the disconnect? But seriously, there are few things in the wor…

> I do most of my work over SSH on big metal machines, maybe that's the disconnect?

Yeah, I believe that's where the disconnect is. I moved from a Thinkpad to the 16in Macbook Pro with the M3 Pro chip, and I am able to reliably build and write code that runs locally on 5 different Docker containers, for at least 10 hours. I once did a 48hr hackathon with this laptop and I only had to charge it I think 4 or 5 times. I need to be very mobile as I'm going to different locations to attend meetings or write code, and it's able to do everything reliably for a (very extended) workday.

I would have to move from wall socket to wall socket on my old Thinkpad, but something to note is that I was using Windows 10 at the time. The Macbook's best-in-class (in performance-per-watt and per-kg) hardware combined with the software was something that became unbeatable for my workflow.

That being said, my next laptop will be a reliable, non-Apple, but Apple-like performance, ARM64 laptop, and I'll be using some Linux distribution on it.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by s__s »

mort96 wrote: post #47
dangus wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My advice is if you’re truly a Linux user first, give up the idea that Mac hardware is the only best/acceptable hardware. Break the cycle and don’t just buy Apple because their hardware is 10% better than competitors. The market really isn’t limited to “buying a windows laptop and putting Linux onto it” anymore. Lots of OEMs support Linux as a first-class citizen. For me personally I’m enjoying my Framework laptop a…

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Can you elaborate on 1) What makes dhh far right? And 2) How that makes the omarchy or framework projects problematic?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by password4321 »

WD-42 wrote: post #41
wara23arish wrote: post #22

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which begs the question why even get a laptop as a daily driver people do it all the time for gaming laptops etc when probably 99% of their usage is at the same desk

Powerful desktop at home + Tailscale + super light old Thinkpad with amazing battery life has been working really well for me whenever I need to be out and about. As long as remote development works for you I think this is the way.

Yes a MacBook Air as remote terminal back to the beefy PC at the mothership is ideal usually even for for GUI remote desktop unless internet is already unbearable and/or pay-per-GB.

It's not going to support WiFi promiscuous mode but maybe pick up a Pi Zero 2W or similar if that's a requirement.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by microtonal »

bigyabai wrote: post #100
rogerrogerr wrote: post #99

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It's really pretty incredible - that people are putting up with Apple's "keep-away" is evidence of just how unbelievably far ahead they are in hardware.

Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple, that customers perceive to be symbiotic but business-wise is wholly parasitic. Like I said, Apple could be a real player... if they had any incentive to compete.

I don't think that the people who want to buy a Mac to run Asahi Linux have (an unhealthy) emotional attachment to Apple, they wouldn't run Linux on a MacBook otherwise.

(I love macOS, though I also have a ThinkPad with NixOS.)

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by scuff3d »

internet2000 wrote: post #111
scuff3d wrote: post #95

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That's not a helpful answer.

How is that not helpful? A group of volunteers working in their spare time to do something incredibly difficult clearly aren't working fast enough for this person. The logical thing to do would be to jump in and help.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by GeekyBear »

Rohansi wrote: post #91
einsteinx2 wrote: post #12

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The tide does seem to be turning that way, though I do think it will be possible to buy general purpose computers for the foreseeable future. Also as a minor counter point, the only reason Asahi is even possible is that Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips. They certainly could have locked them down just like they did the iPhone and iPad, but they didn't. Th…

> Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips Don't you think it's interesting that it's an option for Macs but not iPad Pros? They both use the same SoC. > So while they may not be sharing technical documentation/drivers or otherwise making it easy on the Asahi devs, even the famously "walled garden" Apple seems to have explicitly not restricted their new line of…

> Don't you think it's interesting that it's an option for Macs but not iPad Pros? They both use the same SoC.

Apple has always sold iPads as a closed walled garden and Macs as an open platform.

Apple designed the Apple Silicon Mac hardware to allow you to run an unsigned third party OS without a negative security impact when you run MacOS, because it is an open platform.

However we have definitely seen examples of other formerly open platforms facing new restrictions.

Android was sold to the public as an open platform that Google is actively closing with new restrictions to side loading apps

Windows was sold to the public as an open platform, but Microsoft is locking out users who refuse to use an online account to access their local computer.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by ai-christianson »

I'm mainly a Linux user, but recently switched to a M4 mbp for video editing (davinci resolve) and local LLMs.

Is Asahi able to run mlx with the full Apple hw optimizations?

I'm guessing it's a long shot for Resolve to run there, let alone with hardware optimizations.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by transpute »

Rohansi wrote: post #91
einsteinx2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tide does seem to be turning that way, though I do think it will be possible to buy general purpose computers for the foreseeable future. Also as a minor counter point, the only reason Asahi is even possible is that Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips. They certainly could have locked them down just like they did the iPhone and iPad, but they didn't. Th…

> Apple explicitly designed in support for booting other operating systems into the M-series chips Don't you think it's interesting that it's an option for Macs but not iPad Pros? They both use the same SoC. > So while they may not be sharing technical documentation/drivers or otherwise making it easy on the Asahi devs, even the famously "walled garden" Apple seems to have explicitly not restricted their new line of…

> an option for Macs but not iPad Pros

PTSD can block lights in tunnels.

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by jama211 »

scuff3d wrote: post #125
internet2000 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a helpful answer.

How is that not helpful? A group of volunteers working in their spare time to do something incredibly difficult clearly aren't working fast enough for this person. The logical thing to do would be to jump in and help.

Doesn’t give anything like an ETA… which was the question.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by array_key_first »

jorvi wrote: post #83
rjdj377dhabsn wrote: post #17

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Why not just suspend to disk? My Asus laptop with 32 GB of RAM is 4 years old, but resumes from the encrypted swap partition in under 5 seconds, which is fast enough for me.

Suspend-to-disk (or rather, suspend-then-hibernate) is notoriously unreliable on Linux. Hell, its occasionally unreliable on Windows and OEMs taper their firmware to Microsoft's spec and quirks.

It's very reliable on normal desktop hardware.

I don't know what the fuck is going on with laptop hardware. That stuff seems to barely work, despite the chips and stuff being off the shelf. Most windows laptops cannot handle sleep correctly either.

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