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Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

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This is probably a very HN comment, but I cannot imagine why people actually like gambling and poker: - high likelihood you lose money - the point of the game is to lie to friends and strangers - you're stuck sitting at a table and following rules for hours - the only victory condition is that you take money from other people

Why do people smoke?

Reason is rarely our motive.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#122
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“An X-ray poker machine was employed to read facedown cards and a rigged card-shuffling machine was also used in the plot, prosecutors say.” Would love to know more about such a machine, if anyone has any insight. Are these developed underground? How expensive could they be? If it can efficiently take in a deck of cards and deterministically return a rigged deck in a reasonable amount of time, I would be fascinated a…

The rigged card-shuffling machine method is documented in this recent video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ20ilE5DtA

Thanks for the link. So basically, you are at a private game and if everyone has their phones out (and you are also an unsuspecting idiot), you are screwed.

Crazy that there is a USB port exposed outside the machine.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#123

This is probably a very HN comment, but I cannot imagine why people actually like gambling and poker: - high likelihood you lose money - the point of the game is to lie to friends and strangers - you're stuck sitting at a table and following rules for hours - the only victory condition is that you take money from other people

This is honestly an odd take. For most people the money is in exchange for having fun (there are pros and likely addicts though for which the money is the goal). I play in fantasy sports leagues and I pay into them. I don’t even care about winning the pot - I enjoy the game. The victory condition is having fun. Winning money is a bonus.

The point of the game isn’t to lie to friends. Is this how you see the point of chess or sports in general? Or any game where revealing your strategy would diminish your chances of winning?

I don’t think your comment is very HN typical, but it does indicate some other qualities you may have - not bad or good, but not typical.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#125

The story behind how Chauncey got his coaching job is kind of sketchy as well! The blazers didn't really listen to Dame at all, and the GM has known Chauncey for more than 30 years. At the time of Chauncey being hired, his only coaching experience was ~1 year of being an assistant coach.

Former players being hired as head coaches without much other coaching experience is fairly common in the NBA.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#126
Semi related: A couple of years ago a waste facility in Berlin measured increased levels of radio activity and traced it back to a restaurant where 13 cards laced with radioactive Iodine-125 were found:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42157129

I couldn't find anything about how the cheat actually worked, though. In Mongolia they found radioactive dice at an airport: https://conferences.iaea.org/event/16/contributions/7187/att...

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#127

This scheme doesn’t really make sense. Once you’ve convinced a wealthy person to play at your underground poker table, you’ve already won - just play better poker than them, ultra wealthy fish don’t have time to learn to play perfect poker and you do. Trying to extract slightly more money per hand via x ray tables etc kills the golden goose and doesn’t even necessarily increase total winnings, since it makes you win…

No need to learn; just hire players who are better than the fish and split the profits??? Once it is your shuffler, I could cobble together a Raspberry Pi to light a slightly different wavelength LED when it dealt them two pictures and would need to concentrate to lose enough to get all their money.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#128

This is probably a very HN comment, but I cannot imagine why people actually like gambling and poker: - high likelihood you lose money - the point of the game is to lie to friends and strangers - you're stuck sitting at a table and following rules for hours - the only victory condition is that you take money from other people

With that mindset literally anything is unfun. Do you enjoy anything in particular that does not produce value? If so, you're also very likely losing something, stuck somewhere, etc.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#129

This is probably a very HN comment, but I cannot imagine why people actually like gambling and poker: - high likelihood you lose money - the point of the game is to lie to friends and strangers - you're stuck sitting at a table and following rules for hours - the only victory condition is that you take money from other people

I mean, one could write something like "I cannot imagine why people actually like ski resorts" - 100% likelihood you lose money - the point of the game is fly down a mountain and not hit any trees (about 45 more deaths per year than poker in the US) - you're stuck sitting in a lift or a line and following rules for hours - there are no victory conditions

Skiing is downright sisyphean. I'm only sort of joking - I live in Switzerland and since I started ski-touring, where you climb up the mountain and then ski down it, this feeling is even stronger.

But I think Sisyphus must have gotten at least some satisfaction for almost reaching the top.

Re: Poker fraud used X-ray tables, high-tech glasses and NBA players

#130
post #88

This scheme doesn’t really make sense. Once you’ve convinced a wealthy person to play at your underground poker table, you’ve already won - just play better poker than them, ultra wealthy fish don’t have time to learn to play perfect poker and you do. Trying to extract slightly more money per hand via x ray tables etc kills the golden goose and doesn’t even necessarily increase total winnings, since it makes you win…

The trick isn't winning when the celebrity is at the table, it is in getting the celebrity to the table, then keepong the victim there. It's not about winning mote on each hand. It's about keeping the target happy as money drains away. And that was their aim. By controlling the whole game, they were able to psychologically manipulate the situation. The target was at tbe table with someone they respected. Saw others w…

Exactly, to a pro poker player a celebrity or athlete looks like an easy target. Someone with a lot of money, likes to play for fun, and doesn't have the same skills as a pro. They are at the table to bait the pros. But now the problem is you need those same players to win in order to extract any money from the game, hence the high-tech cheating.
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