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AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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#121
Tangentially, I’ve been hoping someone starts talking about the AI testimonial advertisements I see for all kinds of things.

In such ads, you can see entirely fabricated “people” talking about their amazing experiences with the product.

Is that regulated at all? Should it be?

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

#122

I don't know how to feel about this entirely. Like I get the whole AI generated images bad angle, but on the other hand as someone running a charity I can see the benefit of not wasting donation money on sending a professional photographer to an actual slum and paying probably tens of thousands of dollars to get good quality photos and instead getting usable pictures for free-ish. When running a charity you need to s…

I get there's some nuance, but "don't lie to your donors" is a pretty decent North Star for ashy charity group.

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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I wouldn’t describe it as the correct response, more like “the best one we can think of right now.” Living this way is that it’s really exhausting, saps quite a lot of joy out of life and makes people more lonely. It’s far from optimal and a more sustainable option would be to work our way back to the community trust we used to enjoy just ~30 years ago.

You can gain a little bit of it back by living in a low population density area. I live in a small enough town that if I screw somebody, my name will be hosed until the day of my funeral. End result is I've left $10s of K of easily pawnable construction materials out for years (sorry any thieves reading, it is gone now) and no one touched it. There are several houses around me that have been abandoned for years, no o…

I don't know if I'd say that every mistake you've ever made being remembered forever is something to be "gained".

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can gain a little bit of it back by living in a low population density area. I live in a small enough town that if I screw somebody, my name will be hosed until the day of my funeral. End result is I've left $10s of K of easily pawnable construction materials out for years (sorry any thieves reading, it is gone now) and no one touched it. There are several houses around me that have been abandoned for years, no o…

Not at all snarky because I have no idea what the real answer is here, but although this sounds pretty good, it strikes me how in conflict this would be with most peoples' ideals if we tried any sort of system to scale this to larger populations (like a city). Perhaps we want privacy-but-not-anonymity. Or perhaps society doesn't scale easily.

The real answer is to rebuild the high trust society by relentlessly removing the low trust elements, the same way the high trust society was created to begin with.

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

#125

I've always hated when even real images are used to promote something, but the image is unrelated. Example: a horrific image of a smashed car to show the result of drunk driving or phone use but where that wasn't the actual cause of the crash in the picture. Claiming "this is a result of xxx" is a lie. There are plenty of real cases out there so if you're making stuff I can't trust you - particularly for those asking…

"If your'e making stuff up I can't trust you - particularly for those asking for donations" Exactly. AI doesn't have much to do with it other than it makes it easier to make stuff up. Someone using AI images to solicit donations is just grifting like any other liar asking people for money.

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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That picture of the skeletal kid that went around shows they can spread some pretty wrogn ideas with real photos too. Context is everything.

If we're thinking of the same picture: That kid is real, it has a severe condition that needs medical attention. It's not the general case, but an extreme one, but that doesn't make the problems any less urgent.

It was supposed to show the starvation affecting kids in Gaza though, right?

I assume kids are starving there, but I have to wonder why the photographer picked a distortion and not a representative pic

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

#127

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We used to live in a high trust society but since the breakdown of international barriers western countries are becoming low trust.

Eastern cultures say the same thing about the influence of the West. Ha!

Because people don’t respect that which they feel they have no connections to or shared community with. The Kumbaya of multiculturalism only goes so far. Assimilation is a requirement, not just a nice thing.

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t describe it as the correct response, more like “the best one we can think of right now.” Living this way is that it’s really exhausting, saps quite a lot of joy out of life and makes people more lonely. It’s far from optimal and a more sustainable option would be to work our way back to the community trust we used to enjoy just ~30 years ago.

For that you need repeated interactions and reputation networks. It requires densely networked communities where defection is punished with ostracism and tainted reputation. It works in small communities that have known each other for generations and are expected to rely on each other in the future. The ability to move into new circles every few years incentivizes defection and low trust interactions. However tight k…

>Low trust enables outlier performance.

Business moves at the speed of trust. Outlier performance can only exist in a high trust environment. Low trust society is highly correlated with low economic activity.

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

#129

I was thinking about it, because wife was telling me story from work, where a woman was scammed with AI generated stuff and her colleague was a little too nonchalant about it ( 'it is on her to do her due diligence' ). And it made me annoyed. How can you possibly make due diligence when everyone around you is incentivized to lie? We do have a concept of fraud, but advertising seems to be able to move around its edges…

> her colleague was a little too nonchalant about it ( 'it is on her to do her due diligence' ). I’m always fascinated by victim blaming culture, which has been pervasive long before generative AI. You see it most frequently in cases where the victim is thought to be a safe target: Someone wealthier, an office rival, a corporation. On HN it appears in every thread about someone being scammed, but it was most obvious…

It could also be a more charitable "I make significant efforts to fight against this and spent years/months of my life trying to convince others to do the same only to be ignored, so fuck them".

Like that RMS meme where the world is finally getting the pointy end of the proprietary software trap and cries for help and he just whispers "Gno".

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to live in a high trust society but since the breakdown of international barriers western countries are becoming low trust.

Eastern cultures say the same thing about the influence of the West. Ha!

Which eastern cultures?
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