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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by BADBEEF »

brightball wrote: post #83
itsnowandnever wrote: post #31

this is good and I hope this puts a lot of the drama in the rearview mirror. younger developers coming across Ruby must be like "wtf" about this situation. very peculiar to have these projects so politicised and I say that to the people that "try and keep politics out" (DHH) more than anyone. making your politics known and then being like "but you're not allowed to have an opinion on it" is't cute or clever. it's chi…

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I am shocked, SHOCKED, to know that a person who loves to program and just wants to do it would be more productive than people bikeshedding about code of conduct and other matters ;)

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by runjake »

shadowgovt wrote: post #57
neya wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any summary of what exaclty unfolded please (if you don't mind)? Sorry haven't been following the Ruby news for sometime.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

It's news to me that the RubyCentral event had anything to do with DHH at least directly.

You are alleging that Shopify was retaliating. Do you have any reliable context that Shopify was acting in a retaliatory manner?

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by ScotterC »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #24

As someone who spent a bunch of time talking before and after this all went down with current and past RubyGems maintainers, RubyCentral employees, Gem.coop maintainers and Ruby Core folks: this seems like the best outcome that was actually attainable. I've been working on Homebrew for 16 years and leading it for some proportion of that and this all "smells" like a more sustainable long-term solution than anything we…

Thank you for your work in this arena and trying to add clarity. As a business owner and longtime rubyist, I'm very happy Ruby Core is taking stewardship here and that maybe we can put this tempest in a teapot behind us.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by delichon »

gmac wrote: post #119
delichon wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what you mean about mindless aspirational slogans. "No child left behind" is logically the same as "no child gets ahead". But trying to convince the Ruby community to be nice, by the example of their founder, isn't in that category. And if Matz told me to jump off of a bridge, he has enough stored up credibility that I'd at least consider it.

> "No child left behind" is logically the same as "no child gets ahead" If by both statements you mean "all children must be in exactly the same position", yes ... but that's a wilfully obtuse interpretation.

It seems to be to be literal rather than obtuse to observe that it is necessary for some children to fall behind in order for others to get ahead. The slogan on its face is a wish for equality of outcome. But it's catchier than ”no child failing to meet minimum standards”.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by blasphemers »

wbronitsky wrote: post #110
brightball wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I don't know how this fits into the narrative you just posted, but DHH was a keynote speaker at RailsConf this year. I was there and heard him speak. He didn't speak about anything "political"; just his usual ranting and raving, this time about how long it takes to test and deploy things.

He was brought back for the last RailsConf since DHH started RailsWorld after he was removed as a speaker for previous conferences.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by busterarm »

jcmfernandes wrote: post #94
james_marks wrote: post #70

Matz' action and tone in the announcement is impeccable. Humbling reminder of what greatness looks like.

By not addressing HOW the project ended up in RC's hands, Matz is effectively whitewashing the move.

Unless there is some yet-unnamed party with enough credibility and enough money to do a proper takeover from Ruby Central, this was always the inevitable way forward.

In my 17ish-year involvement with Ruby, I can't think of one.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by thayne »

shevy-java wrote: post #89
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

This is not 100% correct though; I mean, your summary is good, don't get me wrong so I upvoted it. But it conflates a few issues that are not 100% related. For instance, DHH and his fancy blog, are not 100% related or relatable to RubyCentral ousting long-term developers. There may be some connection (DHH on shopify's board, tons of ruby developers being paid by shopify and still writing "my opinion is totally unbias…

> For instance, DHH and his fancy blog, are not 100% related or relatable to RubyCentral ousting long-term developers.

It's related because it led to Sidekiq dropping their funding, which increased shopify's power over ruby central.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by skywhopper »

shevy-java wrote: post #89
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

This is not 100% correct though; I mean, your summary is good, don't get me wrong so I upvoted it. But it conflates a few issues that are not 100% related. For instance, DHH and his fancy blog, are not 100% related or relatable to RubyCentral ousting long-term developers. There may be some connection (DHH on shopify's board, tons of ruby developers being paid by shopify and still writing "my opinion is totally unbias…

It’s related because from the outside it looks like DHH is pulling strings to spitefully oust the folks who brought up concerns about his radical, hateful views. So you may not care what he has to say, but if he uses his influence to exclude folks who do care, and it causes you a problem, maybe it is related after all.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by fooqux »

undecisive wrote: post #102
elliotec wrote: post #6

This is a fascinating and seemingly unusual development that will look obvious in history. I find “BDFLs” and open source communities so incredibly interesting. Especially in the context of geopolitics and state entities. Linux! This stuff is PHD material for sociology and polisci post-grads and I’m so interested in following the progression of history with these types of things.

Yeah, certainly tickles a few neurons. I feel like BDFLs are akin to the concept of village elders; they're not immune to corruption or scandal, but they often have this beloved status that can paper over a lot of cracks. That's probably dependant on their leadership style - the hard headed (Linus, DHH) vs the grandfatherly (Matz, Van Rossum). Which, going back to your note on geopolitics, leads me to wonder: Is it j…

> I feel like BDFLs are akin to the concept of village elders; they're not immune to corruption or scandal, but they often have this beloved status that can paper over a lot of cracks.

I think a lot of this is due to how so much is a scandal these days, for better and worse. (I'm obviously going to keep politics as much out of my response as possible.)

A few decades ago, people could have political views without ostracizing roughly 50% of the global population, or generally causing a ruckus at the holiday family dinner. (Obviously politics + holiday dinners has been an issue for a long time, but back then it was just something people tried to sweep under the rug. Now? Holiday dinners are getting cancelled or families are splitting up.)

It used to be that a scandal in the OSS community required you killing your wife (thinking back to ReiserFS). Now, a remark on Twitter is all it takes.

Again, I am absolutely not taking sides here. I'm just noticing a difference in the times, and agreeing that it is indeed interesting to watch.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by dluan »

busterarm wrote: post #109
shevy-java wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I think we have to wait and see how much momentum gem.coop can build. Right now they have promised "things for the future"; they will most likely also deliver eventually. But right now they are not there. If and when they open beta, though, I'll begin to republish my old gems (not all, some I merged into other gems but most of the core stuff will be back) there. They have some things they should improve on th…

Even if you're not an old-timer and don't remember what Ruby Together was like, the AWS root password changing shenanigans, presumably done by Arko, is enough of a red flag that nothing he's associated with has any credibility. No serious business with real (business) customers will accept that kind of risk and gem.coop will never be a thing outside of hobbyists.

Read his account of it (https://andre.arko.net/2025/10/09/the-rubygems-security-inci...) and you might change your mind (again).
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