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Post by aesh2Xa1 »

shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

Cellular radios also have this capability. There's work done to track individuals in this way (matching your walking pattern/gait).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44416761

Signal processing is probably a general problem. This month we had news about transcribing speech from sound waves jiggling a regular computer mouse.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/07/mouse_microphone_secu...

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Post by red-iron-pine »

throwway120385 wrote: post #116
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Just trust us, the people on that boat were definitely smuggling drugs."

"The guys we blew up with a drone were definitely jihadists."

some of them were definitely jihadists.

but the other half of the wedding party they hit were not...

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Post by mlinhares »

throwway120385 wrote: post #119
nerdponx wrote: post #77

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Pros: potentially greater safety for police and EMS when dealing with touchy people, obvious benefits for fire rescue (assuming it works in a fire). Cons: use your imagination.

The police have a very safe job, generally. They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. People have this idea that being a police officer is really unsafe and that they're throwing themselves in the line of danger just by doing their jobs, but most people are law-abiding and civil. There are people who are not, but that's not a good reason for t…

Its great for the narrative though, if you don't think they're special human beings risking their lives every day to save you how else can you convince the general population they should venerate them?

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Post by bryancoxwell »

andrepd wrote: post #94
bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Is this seriously your conclusion? Might be a good time to get rid of the fucking spy camera owned by a multitrillion dollar corporation partnering with the state surveillance apparatus, is my opinion. Have people never read/watched a sci-fi book/film before?

I think encouraging people to enable E2EE is more realistic than asking everyone to throw out the Ring cams they’ve potentially spent hundreds on, yeah.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

dv_dt wrote: post #86
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #72

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I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.

Read more Solarpunk? From a writers standpoint though, I suspect its easier to weave a dramatic plot through a dystopic background than a more optimistic one

all happy futures are the same, all terrible ones are terrible in their own, unique way

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Post by rkomorn »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #72
shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.

Personally, I think it's the other way around.

Sci-fi writers understood both what technology could create in the future (and what would be desirable), and also understood how people abuse power and the tools available to them to stay in power (or gain more).

In other words: they predicted the future, more than they inspired it. IMO, that also makes their writing that much more interesting.

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Post by sailingparrot »

gitfan86 wrote: post #13
themafia wrote: post #9

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I have deniability with the phone. I can also just leave it at home if I want or turn it off entirely. That access should also be illegal without a warrant; however, this is far worse than cellular "metadata" tracking.

I don't understand why you assume that the government is following all the laws when it comes to cell phones and cloud data but won't when it comes to ring data?

What laws do you suppose they have to follow, exactly?

Cops need a warrant to track your phone, check which tower it connected to or tail your car for extended period of time.

Cops do not need a warrant to use Flock system. They have an app where they can simply put your license plate and they will get a path showing every move of your car as tracked by the flock cameras, and there are a looot of them (e.g. near San Jose: https://deflock.me/map#map=16/37.335318/-121.881316). And thats without the integration of ring.

This essentially allows them to GPS tag anyone, with no warrant, while "following the laws". So no, it's not all the same.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

moffkalast wrote: post #110
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No doubt. The question is, is that the explicit goal, and if so, why? And if not, don't they consider the effects of their actions, if they aren't, why?

The torment nexus is very interesting from a research standpoint and very profitable for investors. There's many military and industrial applications.

the torment nexus can't torment you specifically, you're overreacting.

i am totally a real person and use the nexus every day to improve my productivity -- it is a simple and intuitive tool.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

olex wrote: post #108
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #65

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Cops will also go after your networking prior to busting down your door. Same applies regardless of a correct and valid warrant so do with that as you will. I'm sure the cops who trashed Afroman's place would have loved that ability.

I realize that if the authorities target me specifically, there's not much I can do. Even though I am not in the States and do not expect my local police to be quite as... forceful. However, I do not intend to make it easy to just grab my footage along with any other that can be found, without at least asking.

Yeah, this is more of a "If police screw up, they'll still make it a 'you' problem". IIRC the example I was thinking of was federal agents attempting to threaten an anti-ICE activist.

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Post by brookst »

squigz wrote: post #78
potato3732842 wrote: post #15

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>elected government Elected in part by the useful idiots on HN and many other places. They were so ignorant of how government actually works they were happy to give it this power. They foresaw the jackboot being used to stomp petty criminals and fellow middle class types who don't "pay their fair share". But they had never cracked open a history book because if they had they would know that sort of stuff is never a t…

Maybe people are just responding to things like labelling them all as "useful idiots" and "Nazis" and "fascists"

Fine, let's call them patriots who are fed up with democracy, limits on governmental power, and the rule of law.
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