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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I'd preferred they'd downgraded the price instead, but snark aside is it still really the only headset with twin 4K resolution or are there others?

On paper headsets like MeganeX are on the same ballpark [0], while Bigscreen beyond for instance offer a completely different proposition (ultra light) for only slightly lower resolution [1]

[0] https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex8k

https://store.bigscreenvr.com/products/bigscreen-beyond-2

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now. To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the A…

Every company I've worked at in the last 15-20 years has run fully on Mac. First it was the designers, then the devs, and now everyone. I used Windows for years and have some experience with various Linux distros, but if I joined a company that made me use either of those full-time I'd immediately start looking for another job.

That is a really really strange thing to care so much about

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Valve already has a headset out…well before Apple had one. https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/headset

Yes, and it's one of the best headsets for Linux :) But this is a tethered headset and the text rendering isn't good enough to justify one over a monitor (reportedly-- I haven't bought one yet). Especially because it's tethered. But Valve is reliably rumored to be releasing an untethered successor within the next year for a third of the cost of the AVP. The appeal is having a dozen monitors anywhere.

Probably along side HL3.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Wasn't the Apple Vision pro discontinued?

No, they "announced" the production had stopped because there was enough supply (ie. they had enough stock to fulfill the projected sales and replacement needs). Now obviously it wasn't the success they had hoped for. But they didn't discontinue it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now. To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the A…

Weird, that description doesn't apply at all to my experiences as a developer using Macs for the last few years. Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows even for Microsoft tech like the dotnet stack.

I've used Macbooks for dev pretty much my whole career and I do think that they're some of the _best_ laptops available for dev.

But the caveat to my statement is that _everything_ added to their ecosystem to business reasons is useless and counterproductive. For example I can plug my Android phone into a Windows machine (two different companies inb4 someone uses flawed logic) and it just works. If I plug my Android phone into my Macbook it doesn't work at all...but an iPhone does! ;)

They only very recently got decent-ish Window management, basic snapping that Linux/Windows has had for at least a decade or longer. And even then their implementation is "pretty" but slow to respond. It's like just expand and snap the fucking window for fuck's sake.

In terms of the "development environment" they enjoy having had the OS built on top of FreeBSD (which yes, they have contributed to - bet Apple management hated that).

To me it's a machine that gets stuff done; they could literally strip the thing down to the bare minimum, removing all of the "magical wonderful Apple stuff with cutesy fancy sounding names" and I couldn't give a shit.

"Retina" screen? Fuck offff Apple.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now. To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the A…

Weird, that description doesn't apply at all to my experiences as a developer using Macs for the last few years. Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows even for Microsoft tech like the dotnet stack.

> Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows

This is both true and completely irrelevant, because the point of the above comment is that Apple is not in the business of catering to this use case.

Look at the annual revenues: $225 billion from iPhone/iPad, $100 billion from "services" (which Apple mostly characterizes as "app store stuff"), $40 billion from accessories (watch, airpods, etc), $30 billion from desktops. The Mac segment comes out to 7.9% of their overall revenue. And this number is shrinking in both the absolute and relative sense, as "services" continues to grow and as Mac units shipped peaked in 2022.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Anyone using one? If so, what for? (please give details) I got an oculus quest 2, was blown away by it for 1-2 hours, but never really picked it up again. The games were fun but very shallow, and never tried any practical uses. Would love to use VR for working on a plane. Currently use a laptop, but my neck sometimes gets sore from looking down. VR has the potential to 10x the screen real estate and prevent having to…

It's fantastic as a travel/digital nomad tool. It enables me to use a large widescreen display and work efficiently from anywhere in the world.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Anyone using one? If so, what for? (please give details) I got an oculus quest 2, was blown away by it for 1-2 hours, but never really picked it up again. The games were fun but very shallow, and never tried any practical uses. Would love to use VR for working on a plane. Currently use a laptop, but my neck sometimes gets sore from looking down. VR has the potential to 10x the screen real estate and prevent having to…

I've been using it almost every day for Mac Virtual display, for about 1.5 years now. I don't have any other use case for it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

This is very disappointing. I wonder if it's a limitation of the underlying connection. Does it use AirPlay for this?

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I have one. I use it primarily for keeping my drawer full. That said, it's AMAZING as a home theater replacement, other than an issue with internal reflections in the optics. So in dark scenes it gets a bit annoying. If I lived in an apartment, I would absolutely use it in place of a large TV that eats up a lot of my space. Especially coupled with the airpods MAX and spatial audio. Watching a 4k 3d movie in it is min…

Do you never entertain guests with your home theater system? I believe you when you say that it could replace the experience for yourself, but, at least for me, hosting with my home theater is the main driver for improving it.

You nailed it. It's just not really a social experience OOTB. There are apps you can use to place multiple viewers in the same virtual space (similar to the ones on the quest), but it's just not "social" in the way that a real theater is and to do that locally would cost a fortune and be awkward and pointless.

That said, I entertain less than I watch movies alone. It's probably not worth giving up an entire room in my house for the handful of times per year that I actually entertain. My home theater is mostly just about my quest for perfection when enjoying the films that I love. If/when I can get that out of a headset... cool.

Ideally it will have real Dolby Vision/Atmos and all of the other things high end home theater equipment is expected to have, and right now the AVP doesn't. Between the reflection issues, lack of Dolby Vision, etc it's only like 80% of the way there.

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