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Re: State Terror, American Style

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Post by MSFT_Edging » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 11:54 AM UTC

soraminazuki wrote: post #86

johnnyanmac wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just too young and things exploded by the time I really could start to understand what was gonig on. I was very early Elementasry for 9/11, Middle school for the GFC. I was early 20's focusing on college in 2016, which would have been the 2nd nationals I could vote in. Then I was only a few years into my career when COVID hit. The Obama era gave me hopes, but I didn't realize how easily it could be relinquished…

I guess we grew up in the same era, but I couldn't disagree more about any administration giving hopes. While Obama mostly didn't make things dramatically worse, he did keep the status quo and all the troubling policies that came with it. Refusing to prosecute Bush-era crimes? Check. Keeping Guantanamo? Check. Expanding illegal mass-surveillance systems? Check. Expanding military drone programs and extrajudicially ki…

Obama very much helped deliver us to this point, similar to how the current opposition party doesn't seem to be doing that much opposition. The old george carlin bit, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

Re: State Terror, American Style

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Post by silexia » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 1:48 PM UTC

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Re: State Terror, American Style

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Post by tremon » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 3:01 PM UTC

yubblegum wrote: post #114

evelant wrote: post #2

It certainly doesn’t feel good to have turned out being correct after warning that this is where we were headed way back in the dubyah years. This has always been the plan, it hasn’t been hidden, corporate media has just succeeded in sanewashing it for decades. Abdication of journalistic responsibility in the name of profits has allowed construction of alternate realities for so many people that these atrocities are…

> This has always been the plan This implies a (bipartisan) conspiracy to agitprop the nation into violent division as pretext.

Why does it imply that? You only need one side to consistently antagonize the other and turn everything into us-vs-them rhetoric. The other side can either choose to ignore it, try to maintain higher-level discourse, or start playing the same game; the end result is still the same. I don't see why a bipartisan conspiracy would be required.

Re: State Terror, American Style

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Post by tremon » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 3:07 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #111

actionfromafar wrote: post #109

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There are so many options besides halting elections outright You could - close Congress ignore Congress declare a sufficient number of Democrats "antifa" and arrest/disappear require a special passport for traveling to DC (magically, some democrats are denied) Whatever happens, the midterms is a ticking clok.

"Ignore Congress" isn't an option. Congress can impeach.

Exactly how did that impeachment turn out the first two times, and why do you expect a third impeachment to have a different effect?

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Post by deanCommie » Wed, Oct 08, 2025, 12:28 AM UTC

it_is_I wrote: post #102

JuniperMesos wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blue states and heavily-Democratic urban areas are also likely to have explicit local laws preventing local police authorities from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement, since whether it is good or bad to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement is a central point of disagreement in partisan American politics right now. For the same partisan reasons involving political support for illegal immigrants…

> strenuously object to these raids and think they are deplorable is not a critique any member of the MAGA base will take seriously. There's not gonna be blowback from the MAGA base over the government doing precisely the thing that the base wants and that their political enemies hate. Every day MTG’s “national divorce” sounds like the only real solution. These people live in entirely different realities and despise…

Even if there was somehow a way to do a "national divorce" without a bloody civil war (no chance), who gets to keep the kids? (nukes)

I worry that as bad as things are, at least the blue state resistance (pathetic as it is) provides SOME restraint on the red states/MAGA's worst instincts.

Even if there was a way to divide the country evenly without dealing with the urban/rural divide, I have to imagine the first thing the new separate Red America do is start invading it's neighbours, if not outright nuking parts of the world.

There is no way that a breakup of the most powerful empire in the history of the world, with military bases around the entire planet, can happen without severe consequences for the rest of us.