Any chance F1 could move to electric ever?
Probably not because of the batteries being too heavy and not having enough juice for a race, but more importantly because it would be terrible.
BYD builds fastest car
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Re: BYD builds fastest car
#122Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.
By dinosaur companies, you mean Tesla and Elon Musk
From what I see in the roads in China, Tesla is pretty competitive in the right environment
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#123Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.
China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD.
Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…
In what sense are domestic car manufacturers "important"? They're inefficient if they're being outcompeted by China.
If the "outcompeting" is possible because of Chinese government subsidies, then it's important to protect local industry from unfair competition.
It's similar to the logic behind anti-trust actions against monopolists. If the playing field isn't level, then the USA government steps in to level it.
(Whether BYD is subsidised or not is another question, but the above is the logic of protecting local industry.)
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#125Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.
China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.
Tesla relies on US govt subsidies as well.
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#126Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.
China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.
Is that really correct? I have no idea how to compare one to the other but if I search for "how much money did China give BYD" the AI claims 3.7 billion. If I ask "how much money did the US government give Tesla" it has 3 different numbers. $4.9 billion, $11 billion, and $38 billion. Not sure how it's counting
Asking for other companies: Ford $9 billion, Chevy $11 billion
No idea if this is made up and no idea how to compare them but without knowing better it seems like both sides are subsidized
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.
Tesla relies on US govt subsidies as well.
All US car companies rely on US govt subsidies
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…
In what sense are domestic car manufacturers "important"? They're inefficient if they're being outcompeted by China.
You can't rely on Chinese companies to make the tanks and rockets you intend aiming at China.
Car manufacturers serve many purposes. Aside from keeping the UAW membership onside, they are a strategic buttress for an emerging future war risk.
Australia maintained subsidies to Ford and GM for onshore production precisely because of this. And they stopped when a strategic realignment made successive governments decide the risk didn't justify the expense. A decision they may now be regretting.
Re: BYD builds fastest car
#129Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.
Contrasting opinion:
BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year.
BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.