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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by paintly »

array_key_first wrote: post #111
keanb wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The problem isn't the undocumented people or how many we have, the problem is the rampant disinformation and populist messaging around them. Basically, we can trivially tap into the human mind's natural inclination for tribalism and use undocumented people as a bargaining chip. We can tell people that THEY cause this problem and that problem, because THEY don't share our values, our skin, our culture, our mindset. It…

You're right about the simplistic messaging but having a large amount of undocumented and uncontrolled immigration is still a problem because the infrastructure isn't in place to accommodate this, and it's near impossible to plan for if no-one is accurately keeping track of the numbers.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by immibis »

Dig1t wrote: post #99
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The distinction between public and private is obvious to the initiated, but probably not to everyone. e.g. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/charlie-kirk-assassination... With the right sorts of access given by companies seeking to avoid the ire of the administration, I'm pretty sure even private profiles could be considered to be public.

>I'm pretty sure even private profiles could be considered to be public. I don’t think there’s any evidence that this is happening, the article itself talks about public posts. It’s well established that if you post evidence of a crime publicly on social media the government will find it and use it. Illegal immigration is a crime by definition, using public information to find people who committed this crime is not t…

FWIW, illegal immigration isn't a actually a crime, it's a civil issue (i.e. more akin to breach of contract)

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by jemmyw »

sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

> for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged

I believe, from reading responses on other stories, that they need to manually do something to prevent a story being flagged. So there's no allowing, it just happens.

I don't disagree with you though. I haven't found "flagged" a good indicator on whether a story is interesting or has worthwhile discussion in it. It's just "some small number of people don't want this link here". It would be nice if instead people put their energy into upvoting the stories they do like.

Or add a downvote instead of flag so we actually have a consensus.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by 28304283409234 »

sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

> These are the important stories that matter.

This. A thousand times this.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by orwin »

Dig1t wrote: post #100
rockercoaster wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Willing to work for less than an American, but somehow doesn’t drive wages down for Americans. Yeah, they obviously do. That's plain bullshit. .... ooooon the other hand, we've never tried having an economy without them. We didn't meaningfully limit migration from elsewhere in the Americas until like the '50s, and at the time beginning such enforcement was controversial because we already used them for a ton of che…

>Yeah, they obviously do. That's plain bullshit. Well heck, I see an awful lot of people on the internet trying to argue that they somehow don’t drive wages down for Americans. The number of foreign born people living in the USA is at an all time high, over 5 times larger than what it was in the middle of the last century. Being able to throw cheap labor at a problem is a crutch that keeps people from having to innov…

Well, entire areas of Los Angeles speaking Spanish seems to be quite normal considering the history of the state? It's like complaining that people in Chinatown speak Chinese.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by Schmerika »

mzajc wrote: post #112
sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

For a more proactive approach, browse https://news.ycombinator.com/active to catch these kinds of stories. As far as I know, it ignores flags completely.

They don't care about making no one aware of these stories. Blocking 98% will do just fine for them.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by Schmerika »

sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

After having been here a long time and paid close attention to what gets flagged: They're not a joke. They're collaborators. The wave of flags around everything Thiel and Musk and Israel in the last year has been extraordinarily disturbing, and the rationalizations for it have been tissue thin.

When people call it out they tend to quickly catch bans for minor slights (plausible deniability). Start working on some alts with a VPN now if you want to keep a voice here.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by tempodox »

paintly wrote: post #122
jinushaun wrote: post #6

It’s pretty clear that ICE is the seed of a paramilitary force.

It'll be interesting to see how the Democrats use this ramped-up and militarized ICE when they're next in power. I don't imagine they'll be disbanding it.

> … Democrats … next in power.

I admire your optimism.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by tempodox »

ben_w wrote: post #82
an0malous wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the steelman argument for the US actually doing well?

The strongest arguments I've seen used seriously are economic: S&P500, unicorns, and nominal GDP. I no longer find these arguments convincing.

Billionaires will be richer than ever, even if the country lies in smoldering ruins.
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