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Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by imoverclocked »

saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

I think that Apple is a company that has to obey the rule of law. Maybe the problem here isn’t Apple but the rules they are being forced to abide by?

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by scarface_74 »

zb3 wrote: post #100
beeflet wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PWAs are limited in functionality, and websites on the clearnet are easily taken down or blocked.

> PWAs are limited in functionality By Apple, because it's Apple that a) refuses to implement advanced PWA features in WebKit and b) refuses to allow apps to use other browser engines.

So exactly which festures would be needed in a PWA that’s not currently available in iOS?

It’s just a meaningless talking point without specifics

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

imoverclocked wrote: post #121
saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

I think that Apple is a company that has to obey the rule of law. Maybe the problem here isn’t Apple but the rules they are being forced to abide by?

> Apple is a company that has to obey the rule of law

Damn right.

Where is the court order? Pursuant to what law?

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by CharlesW »

moelf wrote: post #98
amazingamazing wrote: post #67

Why are people so obsessed about apps. could be a website that couldn’t easily be taken down.

what if you want a push notification when ICE agents appear in your work area?

https://web.dev/articles/push-notifications-web-push-protoco...

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

moelf wrote: post #108
Artoooooor wrote: post #53

Does it have to be an application? Why not just a website?

can website do push notification? (e.g. when ICE agents show up near your zipcode)

> can website do push notification?

Text or e-mail.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by gottorf »

kumarvvr wrote: post #86

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Take a breath. Obama drone-struck and killed more than one American citizen. Biden's rhetoric against his political opponents was no less "fascist" than Trump's. Do you find yourself nostalgic for the civility of the McCain-era Republicans? He was called a Nazi by his detractors, as well.

Trump doesn't hold a candle to FDR when it comes to being an authoritarian.

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Post by cyanydeez »

andsoitis wrote: post #63
saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

> are complicit in this stuff I don’t know that that is fair. This framing is designed to shame people into feeling guilty for their point of view, rather than their actions. Being complicit means to be knowingly involved in or facilitating an illegal or wrongdoing act. In my books, it requires a level of participation that I don’t think your characterization meets.

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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by valleyer »

scarface_74 wrote: post #117
valleyer wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an Apple shareholder. My Apple shareholder interest is for Apple to preserve its reputation in the long term, including when Trump is long gone. Please stop repeating this "shareholders only care about short-term money" idea.

And the number of shares you personally own is irrelevant. The only public companies that ever take long term bets are those that are still founder led.

> Cook, clearly trying to remain calm, shot back: “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI [return on investment]. When I think about doing the right thing, I don’t think about an ROI.”

> Cook then offered his own bottom line to Danhof, or any other critic, one which perfectly sums up his belief that social and political and moral leadership are not antithetical to running a business. “If that’s a hard line for you,” Cook continued, “then you should get out of the stock.”

https://alearningaday.blog/2016/03/12/tim-cook-on-roi/

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