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Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by chrischen »

diggan wrote: post #44
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I want an AI that can do my laundry, fold it, and put it away. I don't need an AI to write code for me. I don't mind AI code review, it sometimes has a valid suggestion, and it's easy enough to ignore most of the rest of the time.

> Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I've been developing with LLMs on my side for months/about a year now, and feels like it's allowing me to be more creative, not less. But I'm not doing any "vibe-coding", maybe that's why? The creative parts (for me) is coming up with the actual design of the software, and how it all fits together, what it should do and how, and I get to do that more than ever now.

Exactly. I loved doing novel implementations or abstractions… and the AI excels at the part where it modifies it slightly for different contexts… aka the boring stuff.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by codr7 »

chrischen wrote: post #121
diggan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I've been developing with LLMs on my side for months/about a year now, and feels like it's allowing me to be more creative, not less. But I'm not doing any "vibe-coding", maybe that's why? The creative parts (for me) is coming up with the actual design of the software, and how it all fits together, what it should do and how, and I get to do that more than ever now.

Exactly. I loved doing novel implementations or abstractions… and the AI excels at the part where it modifies it slightly for different contexts… aka the boring stuff.

But this is how you learn, how you find better ways, by grinding.

Getting wild ideas badly implemented on a silver plate is a slot machine, it leads nowhere but in circles.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by polycaster »

mmsc wrote: post #116

Always fun to wake up (ok; I didn't wake up, I got off a 10 hour flight) to see my work on the front page of hn. I'll be doing a retrospective in a few weeks when the dust has settled, as well as new tools I've been made aware of.

I’m curious what tools that may be.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by CSSer »

alickz wrote: post #105
diggan wrote: post #56

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> The creative part for me includes both the implementation and the design The implementations LLMs end up writing are predicable, because my design locks down what it needs to do. I basically know exactly what they'll end up doing, and how, but it types faster than I do, that's why I hand it off while I go on to think about the next design iteration. I currently send every single prompt to Claude, Codex, Qwen and Ge…

I agree, and my flow is similar I've made great use of AI by keeping my boundaries clear and my requirements tight, and by rigorously ensuring I understand _every_ line of code I commit I believe software development will transition to a role closer to director/reviewer/editor, where knowledge of programming paradigms are just as important as now, but also where _communication_ skills separate the good devs from the…

I think that has always been the difference. First principles.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by victorbjorklund »

diggan wrote: post #44
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I want an AI that can do my laundry, fold it, and put it away. I don't need an AI to write code for me. I don't mind AI code review, it sometimes has a valid suggestion, and it's easy enough to ignore most of the rest of the time.

> Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I've been developing with LLMs on my side for months/about a year now, and feels like it's allowing me to be more creative, not less. But I'm not doing any "vibe-coding", maybe that's why? The creative parts (for me) is coming up with the actual design of the software, and how it all fits together, what it should do and how, and I get to do that more than ever now.

Same. I think there are two types of devs. Those that love designing the individual building blocks and those that wanna stack the blocks together to make something new.

At this point AI is best at the first thing and less good at the second. I like stacking blocks together. If I build a beautiful UI I don't enjoy writing the individual css code for every button but rather composing the big picture.

Not saying either is better or worse. But I can imagine that the people that loves to build the individual blocks like AI less because it takes away something they enjoy. For me it just takes away a step I had to do to get to the composing of the big picture.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by gavinray »

mmsc wrote: post #116

Always fun to wake up (ok; I didn't wake up, I got off a 10 hour flight) to see my work on the front page of hn. I'll be doing a retrospective in a few weeks when the dust has settled, as well as new tools I've been made aware of.

I thoroughly enjoyed the post, one of the few lengthier blog posts I read start-to-finish.

Seems like ZeroPath might be worth looking into if the price is reasonable

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by ghiculescu »

collingreen wrote: post #68
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creativity is fun. AIs automate that away. I want an AI that can do my laundry, fold it, and put it away. I don't need an AI to write code for me. I don't mind AI code review, it sometimes has a valid suggestion, and it's easy enough to ignore most of the rest of the time.

I was thinking this again just yesterday. Do my laundry correctly and get it put away. Organized my storage. Clean the bathroom. Do the dishes. Catalog my pantry, give me recipes, and keep it correctly stocked. Maybe I'm just a simple creature but like, these are the obvious problems in my life I'll pay to have go away so why are we taking away the fun stuff instead?

You can already pay to have all those issues go away.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by Planktonne »

alickz wrote: post #104
Sharlin wrote: post #87

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Yes, because ideas are not worth much if anything. If you have an idea of a book, or a painting, and have someone else implement it, you have not done creative work. Literally, you have not created the work, brought it to existence. The creator has done the creativity.

If you write a screenplay (the idea), and direct actors to act it out according to your vision (the implementation), did you _create_ the film? I think my answer would be "Does it matter?" If it brings joy to you or others, who cares about the semantics of creation

A screenplay isn't just an idea; it's an implementation of an idea.

Re: Potential issues in curl found using AI assisted tools

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Post by swaits »

noelwelsh wrote: post #64

More interesting to me is how to stop these bugs from occurring in the first place. The example given in the thread is the kind of bug that C (and mutation) excels at creating.

And how many would’ve been avoided by finishing the rust port?
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