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Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by sgjohnson »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #95
jeffhwang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, passengers are probably going to start waking up to the realities of just how bad the air-travel experience in the US has become compared to so many foreign counterparts. If you want passengers to want your plane, design it without sardines in mind; People don't like being sardines. I hope this is true. However, my sense is that the value chain is so elongated from aircraft designer/engineer/marketing/sales t…

With rare exception, people just buy the cheapest ticket. They moan and complain about this or that, but they still do the same thing. So, airlines structure and furnish accordingly.

> So, airlines structure and furnish accordingly.

By cutting the number of economy seats and increasing the number of business and first class ones?

Airlines don’t care about the economy traveller. They are there just to fill the space for a marginal profit.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by spookie »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #101
garyrob wrote: post #67

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> There is no hint that Apple intends to do anything with the Vision Pro, and they've already been scooped by Meta. I expect that's exactly what they have in mind. If they're successful, Meta's project will be to Apple's what early MP3 players were to the original iPod. The jury is out on whether Cook can pull it off.

It's more likely than not that they will, in my opinion. As an owner of both an AVP and Quest 2, the former is a lot nicer to use than the latter with the exception of VR games, and my hunch is that Valve is going to eat Meta's lunch for gaming with Deckard (which will be at least as good as the Quest 3, but much more open, paired with a vastly more populated and popular marketplace, probably won't treat PCVR as an a…

Having experienced the Quest Pro I can say that Apple has absolutely no clue what the focus should be on.

Hint: being able to grab a well balanced headset that is so easy to put on as a cap. This makes you not think if you are going to watch or play in VR, you just do it.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by thoughtFrame »

eastbound wrote: post #75
lisper wrote: post #47

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> with large organizations where once their markets mature, everybody who can build a product end-to-end leaves or gets forced out, leaving only people with highly specialized maintenance skillsets It's not just building a product end-to-end. Tim Cook is a supply-chain guy. He knows how to build a product. What he doesn't know how is how to design a new one. This is the reason that all of the "new" stuff that has com…

There’s a beautiful conference (which I’ve lost) saying that science and technology can regress. We always talk about “the progress” but things do regress all the time; Tests I’ve cleared for employment can’t be passed by newcomers, the NASA wouldn’t be able to put a rocket on the moon today, and there is no downloadable Jira competitor anymore. In fact the speed of innovation is, pretty much, equal to the speed of m…

Is it this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko Preventing the Collapse of Civilization / Jonathan Blow (Thekla, Inc)

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by gman83 »

nostrademons wrote: post #21

It'll be interesting to see if they still can design and build a new ground-up airplane design. The last all-new design was the 787, initiated in 2003 and launched in 2009, and its design was fraught with problems. Before then was the 777 in the early 90s (pre-McDonnell takeover), and the 757/767 in the early 80s. There's a phenomena that ofter occurs with large organizations where once their markets mature, everybod…

This dynamic is a core theme in Asimov's "Foundation." The Empire's technological stagnation is defined by its inability to create new atomic devices. They had the old ones, and they had technicians to maintain them, but the actual knowledge of how to design and construct one from the ground up had been lost to institutional rot. They could patch the old world together, but they couldn't build the new one.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mrguyorama wrote: post #118
bunderbunder wrote: post #86

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I think you might have the chain of causality mixed up. From what I've seen, the sheer scale of the company creates large committees because you've got lots of managers and they all know that getting involved in the project is essential to their career advancement. And then that creates scope creep. Partially due to design by committee effects, but also because the manager in charge of flobnix realizes their opportun…

>why is the Lunar Gateway such an essential part of the Artemis project's mission architecture when we didn't need anything like that for Apollo? The explicit reason is: Why would we pay another $200 billion to just do Apollo again? People were bored of Apollo before it even finished its original set of missions.

Gateway is also a trial run for conducting operations at a Mars/Phobos/Diemos station.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by linuxftw »

masklinn wrote: post #90
hinkley wrote: post #60

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The 737 is a clusterfuck because the giant engines throw off the physics of the plane both inertially and aerodynamically. It’s easier to make a turbofan more efficient by making it bigger. But power density also tends to go up with new models, so there’s at least a chance that there’s a smaller, lighter engine with the same thrust and fuel economy out there, allowing them to improve (restore) the physics of the airc…

While not great, the MAX would have been fine if Boeing (and their airlines) had not clung so hard to the type rating. Without that, MCAS could have been left out entirely alongside its utterly botched implementation. But that would have required a heavier certification process, and some pilot re-training. And they couldn't have that. Of course that wouldn't have freed Boeing from the rest of its dismal record (MCAS…

This is at best a Boeing talking-point. We don't have any data that states it is safe to operate the MAX without MCAS. It's quite possible that probable scenarios would result in stall faster than a human can react.

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Post by jacquesm »

huslage wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #31

This will be Boeings answer to the Bombardier C Series, aka the Airbus A220 series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A220 , which is one of the nicest planes for short haul in service at the moment. Edit: indeed, not the 'Neo', I got the name wrong but the link right.

The "Neo series" are re-engined A320 series (neo = New Engine Option) and has nothing to do with the A220.

Ah yes, you are right, I meant the A220 though. I've edited the comment, thank you for pointing out my error.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by spookie »

petre wrote: post #103
Gee101 wrote: post #53

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What about the Apple watch?

What about it? I'm not going to recharge my watch every night. Yawn.

Yeah, we have basically infinite battery on "dumb" watches, as long as you use them. You know, so you can rely on them.

The Apple Watch to me just seems like a worse earbud. If I want to be that interrupted in tge middle of something might as well hear the thing and not have to look at it.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by alexey-salmin »

gman83 wrote: post #124
nostrademons wrote: post #21

It'll be interesting to see if they still can design and build a new ground-up airplane design. The last all-new design was the 787, initiated in 2003 and launched in 2009, and its design was fraught with problems. Before then was the 777 in the early 90s (pre-McDonnell takeover), and the 757/767 in the early 80s. There's a phenomena that ofter occurs with large organizations where once their markets mature, everybod…

This dynamic is a core theme in Asimov's "Foundation." The Empire's technological stagnation is defined by its inability to create new atomic devices. They had the old ones, and they had technicians to maintain them, but the actual knowledge of how to design and construct one from the ground up had been lost to institutional rot. They could patch the old world together, but they couldn't build the new one.

Asimov was such a visionary he managed to predict the year 2025 in France.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Post by techas »

gman83 wrote: post #124
nostrademons wrote: post #21

It'll be interesting to see if they still can design and build a new ground-up airplane design. The last all-new design was the 787, initiated in 2003 and launched in 2009, and its design was fraught with problems. Before then was the 777 in the early 90s (pre-McDonnell takeover), and the 757/767 in the early 80s. There's a phenomena that ofter occurs with large organizations where once their markets mature, everybod…

This dynamic is a core theme in Asimov's "Foundation." The Empire's technological stagnation is defined by its inability to create new atomic devices. They had the old ones, and they had technicians to maintain them, but the actual knowledge of how to design and construct one from the ground up had been lost to institutional rot. They could patch the old world together, but they couldn't build the new one.

Very true! Unfortunately that is not present at all in the Apple series of Foundation…
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